Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

[fsquid]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

and you can't have Nowitski, he's the only thing holding up the German team!

[bkrich83]

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Just think a sec before you say that. Dream team 1 and 2 had the best players the NBA could offer. You can't say the same for the World Championship or the Olympics.

You'd find it really hard to convince anyone that a team consisting of

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Kobe
McGrady
Kidd
Nowitzski
Iverson
Pierce
Allen
Ming
Carter

would lose a game in these tournaments.

If we were so much better than everyone and they hadn't caught up, then we should have been able to roll our second teamers out for the tourneys and roll. The mere fact we have to put our very best players out there to compete says a lot.

BTW. Pierce did play in the world champs. Nowitski plays for Germany, and Ming plays for China.

[bkrich83]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

Just think a sec before you say that. Dream team 1 and 2 had the best players the NBA could offer. You can't say the same for the World Championship or the Olympics.

You'd find it really hard to convince anyone that a team consisting of

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Kobe
McGrady
Kidd
Nowitzski
Iverson
Pierce
Allen
Ming
Carter

would lose a game in these tournaments.

If we were so much better than everyone and they hadn't caught up, then we should have been able to roll our second teamers out for the tourneys and roll. The mere fact we have to put our very best players out there to compete says a lot.

BTW. Pierce did play in the world champs. Nowitski plays for Germany, and Ming plays for China.

[HMcCoy]

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Yes the world has caught up, and your head is in the sand if you think it hasn't. The NBA people are saying the same thing.

No defensive 3 seconds rule means those chumps can relax and camp out and under the hoop ALL DAY LONG. Eliminates most of the post and slashing game. Also allows Euros to only excel at defending the three. Thats pathetic. The Pistons had a fantastic gameplan for defending the Lakers, but even they couldn't stop both a dominant post-player and a dominant wing player...they had to choose, and work damn HARD to excecute...They couldn't rely on rules do the defending for them.

I refuse to say that because their game is tailored for shooting as the only real skill necessary...that they have gotten as skilled as us. Give me a break. When did ball handling in traffic cease being a skill? When did gritty defensive play cease being a skill? When did physical toughness in the post stop mattering? The international game gives them a pass on all 3.

Granted, the international game has improved to the point where the Americans can't easily overcome those factors, and thats good for everyone. Gives our youths something to think about. But at the same time, we didn't take the right personel to play that style of basketball in the first place. But, as long as NBC got their endorsment cash, who really cares. IMO, Their game is not better or worse than ours, just different.

Amazing.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

Yes the world has caught up, and your head is in the sand if you think it hasn't. The NBA people are saying the same thing.

No defensive 3 seconds rule means those chumps can relax and camp out and under the hoop ALL DAY LONG. Eliminates most of the post and slashing game. Also allows Euros to only excel at defending the three. Thats pathetic. The Pistons had a fantastic gameplan for defending the Lakers, but even they couldn't stop both a dominant post-player and a dominant wing player...they had to choose, and work damn HARD to excecute...They couldn't rely on rules do the defending for them.

I refuse to say that because their game is tailored for shooting as the only real skill necessary...that they have gotten as skilled as us. Give me a break. When did ball handling in traffic cease being a skill? When did gritty defensive play cease being a skill? When did physical toughness in the post stop mattering? The international game gives them a pass on all 3.

Granted, the international game has improved to the point where the Americans can't easily overcome those factors, and thats good for everyone. Gives our youths something to think about. But at the same time, we didn't take the right personel to play that style of basketball in the first place. But, as long as NBC got their endorsment cash, who really cares. IMO, Their game is not better or worse than ours, just different.

Amazing.

[fsquid]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

No defensive 3 seconds rule means those chumps can relax and camp out and under the hoop ALL DAY LONG. Eliminates most of the post and slashing game.

then how come we still see that in College? They don't have a 3 second defensive call. You can beat a zone if you know how to pass, slash, and find the open parts of the zone. I teach it every winter when I coach.

[fsquid]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

No defensive 3 seconds rule means those chumps can relax and camp out and under the hoop ALL DAY LONG. Eliminates most of the post and slashing game.

then how come we still see that in College? They don't have a 3 second defensive call. You can beat a zone if you know how to pass, slash, and find the open parts of the zone. I teach it every winter when I coach.

[bkrich83]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

No defensive 3 seconds rule means those chumps can relax and camp out and under the hoop ALL DAY LONG. Eliminates most of the post and slashing game. Also allows Euros to only excel at defending the three. Thats pathetic. The Pistons had a fantastic gameplan for defending the Lakers, but even they couldn't stop both a dominant post-player and a dominant wing player...they had to choose, and work damn HARD to excecute...They couldn't rely on rules do the defending for them.

I refuse to say that because their game is tailored for shooting as the only real skill necessary...that they have gotten as skilled as us. Give me a break. When did ball handling in traffic cease being a skill? When did gritty defensive play cease being a skill? When did physical toughness in the post stop mattering? The international game gives them a pass on all 3.

Granted, the international game has improved to the point where the Americans can't easily overcome those factors, and thats good for everyone. Gives our youths something to think about. But at the same time, we didn't take the right personel to play that style of basketball in the first place. But, as long as NBC got their endorsment cash, who really cares. IMO, Their game is not better or worse than ours, just different.

Amazing.

Agreed. But we can no longer just roll the ball out and smoke people. We're playing with the same rules they are. How many backdoor layups did we give up this tourney.

The world has caught up, or has come very close. The NBA guys have been saying that for the last two weeks. We can spout about our superiority all we want. But the fact remains. We are 8-6, with a 3rd place and 6th place finish in the last 2 major world tourneys. That does say something, whether you want to admit it or not.

Now undoubtably, if we sent our best 12 players (Shaq, Kidd, Kobe, etc.) we would more than likely win the tourney. But the mere fact that we have to send those guys to win says a lot also.

[bkrich83]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

No defensive 3 seconds rule means those chumps can relax and camp out and under the hoop ALL DAY LONG. Eliminates most of the post and slashing game. Also allows Euros to only excel at defending the three. Thats pathetic. The Pistons had a fantastic gameplan for defending the Lakers, but even they couldn't stop both a dominant post-player and a dominant wing player...they had to choose, and work damn HARD to excecute...They couldn't rely on rules do the defending for them.

I refuse to say that because their game is tailored for shooting as the only real skill necessary...that they have gotten as skilled as us. Give me a break. When did ball handling in traffic cease being a skill? When did gritty defensive play cease being a skill? When did physical toughness in the post stop mattering? The international game gives them a pass on all 3.

Granted, the international game has improved to the point where the Americans can't easily overcome those factors, and thats good for everyone. Gives our youths something to think about. But at the same time, we didn't take the right personel to play that style of basketball in the first place. But, as long as NBC got their endorsment cash, who really cares. IMO, Their game is not better or worse than ours, just different.

Amazing.

Agreed. But we can no longer just roll the ball out and smoke people. We're playing with the same rules they are. How many backdoor layups did we give up this tourney.

The world has caught up, or has come very close. The NBA guys have been saying that for the last two weeks. We can spout about our superiority all we want. But the fact remains. We are 8-6, with a 3rd place and 6th place finish in the last 2 major world tourneys. That does say something, whether you want to admit it or not.

Now undoubtably, if we sent our best 12 players (Shaq, Kidd, Kobe, etc.) we would more than likely win the tourney. But the mere fact that we have to send those guys to win says a lot also.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

then how come we still see that in College? They don't have a 3 second defensive call. You can beat a zone if you know how to pass, slash, and find the open parts of the zone. I teach it every winter when I coach.

You don't see much. How many dominant post players are their in college? There are guys who can score from the inside, but how many teams have their offense truly built inside-out? Its a different game as well, predicated on transition buckets, and perimeter passing. There are only a handful of Dwayne Wades or Chris Kamans in the NCAA. Even Okafor had only a servicable offensive post game.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Okay. I'm Starting To Change Mind

then how come we still see that in College? They don't have a 3 second defensive call. You can beat a zone if you know how to pass, slash, and find the open parts of the zone. I teach it every winter when I coach.

You don't see much. How many dominant post players are their in college? There are guys who can score from the inside, but how many teams have their offense truly built inside-out? Its a different game as well, predicated on transition buckets, and perimeter passing. There are only a handful of Dwayne Wades or Chris Kamans in the NCAA. Even Okafor had only a servicable offensive post game.

[bkrich83]

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You don't see much. How many dominant post players are their in college? There are guys who can score from the inside, but how many teams have their offense truly built inside-out?

Yeah but even with the 3 second rule, you could make an argument that the NBA is the same way. How many dominant post players are there in the NBA?

Now, correct me if I am wrong. Since the NBA has been so dreadful to watch, I cancelled my season pass, so I don't see it as much.

[bkrich83]

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You don't see much. How many dominant post players are their in college? There are guys who can score from the inside, but how many teams have their offense truly built inside-out?

Yeah but even with the 3 second rule, you could make an argument that the NBA is the same way. How many dominant post players are there in the NBA?

Now, correct me if I am wrong. Since the NBA has been so dreadful to watch, I cancelled my season pass, so I don't see it as much.

[fsquid]

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many do, its just that the low post players now in college are basically 6 foot 8 because if you're 7 foot in high school, you are going pro regardless of skill.

[fsquid]

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many do, its just that the low post players now in college are basically 6 foot 8 because if you're 7 foot in high school, you are going pro regardless of skill.