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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Yo, Mallory.(Family Ties(no not Family Guy) reference.
Mallory Edens @MedensEdens 46m46 minutes ago
small market? Cold winters come and go but banners hang forever. #notbuckingaroundComment
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Woj says Robin Lopez is close to signing with the Knicks. Whatever that means..."You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
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How aren't you comparing the two though? The whole basis of the statement is placing the acceptability of one action against the other.
Comparing him to that bum is a ton worse though anyway. That dude literally contributed NOTHING to those teams, West would at least still be playing at least 20-25 minutes a night for whatever team he signs with. To say he basically doesn't want to work hard and wants a free ride is ridiculous and isn't him saying he wants to play for a team that's playing in the Finals (how's that wrong anyway?). He wants to play with a contender, that's a team that has a legit shot at winning a title, that doesn't mean only the two teams that actually get in the Finals.Comment
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I don't know where all this info comes from: Sources upon sources.
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 2m2 minutes ago
Monroe met with 4 teams: Bucks, Knicks, Lakers, Blazers. All offered the max, I'm told. Chose Bucks because they're the most playoff ready.Comment
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And he's killing any leverage he may have. He's bad mouthed the Pacers front office as well.
His agent needs to put a muzzle on him because he's about to be priced out.
Turned down a $12M player option and now you want to pick your own team?
You're not that good David West.Comment
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Mentioning that guy was obviously a joke that seemed to have struck a chord with a couple guys. It's a joke. You know, the type of thing you guys even use when describing other players in the league to him.
But I'm not comparing the two. You compared the two with your quote. I simply said, again, I find it more off putting to say what he said than to say I want to form a Big Three with my friends.
I'm not comparing the two at all. I'm not saying one makes you a bad person and the other makes you a good person. I never even judged his character outside of saying he won't work hard (which I clarified was a facetious comment).
But a player will go out and say, "I want to play with my two buddies" and get hammered for it meanwhile David West says, "I want to play for a team that can get into the Finals" and no one bats an eye.
So I made a point to say I find his comment more off putting than someone saying the former comment.
The rest you're adding yourself.
Of course he would be a contributor. He's a good player.
I said that he sounds like he wants a free ride. He just wants to play for a team that obviously doesn't really need him if they are good enough to probably make the Finals.
If he added in the words: "I want to play for a team on the cusp, a team I think I can help push to a championship" then I would have felt differently.
Not sure why the words I typed are being interpreted as something else like I called this dude a bum."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I'll tell you what, if West caught feels from what he 'read' his management was saying about Roy Hibbert...he better prepare to read a lot worse when he goes to a contender...there's going to be a lot more scrutiny in most situations...Comment
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I agree with all of the above except the last sentence.
I like David West. I think a couple guys think I dislike him or don't like his character/attitude but that wasn't the point of my post.
West is good enough for a contender, to help them get those extra points and rebounds that a bench guy can get.
I do think turning down $12 MM was a bad move if financials are his concern. But it's clear (or I think it's clear) that money isn't his goal right now. He just wants a ring."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Not sure what you guys have against David West. He turned down money and wants to play for a contender because he's near the end of his career and he wants the title over money. There's nothing wrong with that at all and he's far from the first guy to play for a contender over money. Isn't turning down more money to take less and play for a contender a redeeming quality in a player? I always thought so.Comment
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I'll finish it with this.
I shouldn't have added that last sentence to my post about free rides and calling him that player.
I think it took my quote to another level and if it's causing confusion then that's on me for not writing it better or editing out what was either a joke or going too hard for no reason but to put a stamp on the statement.
I still find the comment off putting."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I never thought you didn't like him. I just don't like how (not you specifically) we laud these guys for being candid and honest, but then rip them apart when they are.
I mean, I don't how many times on this board we've been through the, "never trust what an athlete says to the media" bit, yet here is a guy being completely honest about where he wants to be at this stage in his career, which is completely fair, and it's being taken as he's wanting a free pass to a championship.
Would you rather he had said that he doesn't care where he plays as long as he gets a fat check?
David West is still a pretty good player, and could probably be a starter on quite a few teams, Knicks included. There has to be some appreciation for a guy willing to sacrifice things like money and playing time to be a part of something special.
I guess we don't see it the same way, and that is totally fine.Cubs | Bulls | Dolphins | 'Noles
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Actually I wouldn't mind any of those comments. If you want to play for a ring: go for it! If you want to play for money: I'm cool too. I'm on the same boat, man. I want these guys to be honest. But just because you're honest doesn't mean I'm going to like what you said. This is totally another subject and irrelevant but if a player said, "I hate CMH's mother!" I'd nod my head and probably say, "Thanks for being honest but that's ****ed up, man!"
I don't even mind that David West said he basically wants a ring. That's the thing. I never said he was a scum for saying it. I only said I find it more off putting than the guy that says he wants to form a Big Three. To me, one is saying he wants an easier path (is that better than free ride?) and the other is saying he wants to create a team that might have an easier path.
I do find the latter more redeeming than the former. But it's not like I find the former to be some garbage statement that is despicable to say."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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