2015 Offseason Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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He's been there for 5 years. I understand Paul George was injured but 18 more losses in one year is a big drop off. What more can he really do? Similar to Scott Brooks IMO. And Brooks did way more with the Thunder than Vogel did with the Pacers.

Who's the Russell Westbrook on the Pacers that he was supposed to do it with without George? You really need to start watching games during the season man.

[Hassan Darkside]

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He's been there for 5 years. I understand Paul George was injured but 18 more losses in one year is a big drop off. What more can he really do? Similar to Scott Brooks IMO. And Brooks did way more with the Thunder than Vogel did with the Pacers.

Indy was 1 game away from making the playoffs after starting the season with a lineup of Donald Sloan, CJ Miles, Solomon Hill, Luis Scola, and Roy Hibbert.

With how beat up and untalented that roster did, what they achieved was dang near remarkable.

That being said, they're only a year removed from losing in the ECF to LeBron and co. Presti did way more with the Thunder than Pritchard did with the Pacers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Keep in mind that 40+ Coaches have been fired in the last 5 years with some teams going thru multiple coaches in that span.

That is a ridiculously high number and that is sad because it shows the lack of patience from teams and to a lesser extent, the fans.

And I don't see any excuse for Atlanta going thru another coaching change after the mess they went thru last year, not to mention advancing deeper in the playoffs than they have in franchise history and finishing with the best record in the league. Those 2 alone should give him at least 3 years.

I disagree with saying Vogel should've been gone.

[cima]

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Who's the Russell Westbrook on the Pacers that he was supposed to do it with without George? You really need to start watching games during the season man.

Ugh please don't start with that crap again.

Anyway, obviously there is no Westbrook on the Pacers. That didn't matter for Brooks though because he still got fired, so that point is moot. Regardless like I said, he's been there for 5 years and I remember reading about how he had lost the players in the locker room LAST YEAR. Bird must be a patient man but that's a franchise that needs a new leader at the helm.

[cima]

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Indy was 1 game away from making the playoffs after starting the season with a lineup of Donald Sloan, CJ Miles, Solomon Hill, Luis Scola, and Roy Hibbert.

With how beat up and untalented that roster did, what they achieved was dang near remarkable.

That being said, they're only a year removed from losing in the ECF to LeBron and co. Presti did way more with the Thunder than Pritchard did with the Pacers.

I see what you're saying, but 38 wins and 4th place in your division isn't impressive, regardless of who may or may not be on the team. IMO anyway.

[cima]

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Keep in mind that 40+ Coaches have been fired in the last 5 years with some teams going thru multiple coaches in that span.

That is a ridiculously high number and that is sad because it shows the lack of patience from teams and to a lesser extent, the fans.

This is what I'm talking about and why I'm surprised Vogel is still around. Coaches have a very short leash nowadays in all of sports. Except for us, we've been stuck with Giggles Lewis for 12 ****ing years now and he just got another ****ing extension.

But back on topic, if it's not Vogel and assuming this rumor is true, it has to be a coach of a playoff team otherwise it's not really a surprise.

[Hassan Darkside]

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This is what I'm talking about and why I'm surprised Vogel is still around. Coaches have a very short leash nowadays in all of sports. Except for us, we've been stuck with Giggles Lewis for 12 ****ing years now and he just got another ****ing extension.

But back on topic, if it's not Vogel and assuming this rumor is true, it has to be a coach of a playoff team otherwise it's not really a surprise.

Then what's your reasoning for firing Vogel? Last season was his first losing season in Indy, before that he had been to back to back ECF, losing to Miami in 7 and 6 games. Because he finally had a season with more Ls than Ws?

[King_B_Mack]

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Ugh please don't start with that crap again.

Anyway, obviously there is no Westbrook on the Pacers. That didn't matter for Brooks though because he still got fired, so that point is moot. Regardless like I said, he's been there for 5 years and I remember reading about how he had lost the players in the locker room LAST YEAR. Bird must be a patient man but that's a franchise that needs a new leader at the helm.

No, I'm definitely going to "start with that crap again" because it's completely relevant to the topic. You're talking about Vogel should have been gone based on a win/loss record which takes absolutely nothing about how the team looked, played or what kind of circumstances he was coaching under and then talking about what Scott Brooks was able to do with a superstar in Westbrook on his team dropping triple doubles every night while David West was the best player that Indiana was able to put on the floor every night? Come on man. This type of stuff is exactly why you need to be watching what's going on in this league before you start saying this kind of stuff.

[cima]

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Then what's your reasoning for firing Vogel? Last season was his first losing season in Indy, before that he had been to back to back ECF, losing to Miami in 7 and 6 games. Because he finally had a season with more Ls than Ws?

Same reason Scott Brooks got fired, the team went as far as they could with that coach. The Pacers last year (13-14) had so many internal issues and all the talk was how Vogel didn't have credibility in the locker room. The Pacers team that went to 2 ECF no longer has an open window. The PG injury set them back, Lance is gone, West is older and is probably trade bait now with a big expiring contract (and the dude deserves to ring chase), Hibbert is forever mediocre...etc. They need new blood. Vogel wouldn't be a bad choice to coach a rebuilding team, it's just my opinion if Brooks can get fired, I don't see why Vogel couldn't either.

[King_B_Mack]

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Same reason Scott Brooks got fired, the team went as far as they could with that coach. The Pacers last year (13-14) had so many internal issues and all the talk was how Vogel didn't have credibility in the locker room. The Pacers team that went to 2 ECF no longer has an open window. The PG injury set them back, Lance is gone, West is older and is probably trade bait now with a big expiring contract (and the dude deserves to ring chase), Hibbert is forever mediocre...etc. They need new blood. Vogel wouldn't be a bad choice to coach a rebuilding team, it's just my opinion if Brooks can get fired, I don't see why Vogel couldn't either.

That's entirely different statement than Vogel "should have been gone already."

[cima]

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No, I'm definitely going to "start with that crap again" because it's completely relevant to the topic. You're talking about Vogel should have been gone based on a win/loss record which takes absolutely nothing about how the team looked, played or what kind of circumstances he was coaching under and then talking about what Scott Brooks was able to do with a superstar in Westbrook on his team dropping triple doubles every night while David West was the best player that Indiana was able to put on the floor every night? Come on man. This type of stuff is exactly why you need to be watching what's going on in this league before you start saying this kind of stuff.

Again, just because I didn't sit down and watch a lot of games from start to finish doesn't mean I was oblivious to what was going on all year. I paid very close attention, read articles and recaps everyday, saw videos every day of the regular season. Seriously, it's a very lame card to keep playing on me. I didn't need to watch games all year to tell anyone that the Hawks were a pretender and that came to fruition. See what I'm saying? Stop bringing it up.

The Pacers were hit hard by injuries, no doubt about it. Even if PG is never injured though, the Pacers still weren't going to beat a team like Cleveland in the playoffs. They peaked in 12-13/13-14. So it would have ended up as another L. Would you still give him a chance after that too?

[bigfnjoe96]

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Chris Sheridan of Sheridan Hoops:

An NBA big shot who I know and trust just told me a coach is getting fired in next couple days, and nobody sees it coming.

— Chris Sheridan (@sheridanhoops) May 28, 2015

I know rumors entertain us, but is anyone feeling this tweet is suspect? Especially since it's dated for tomorrow... Sheridan sources are pretty solid, but this-1 just seems suspect

[The 24th Letter]

2015 Offseason Thread

I could've seen a scenario where the Pacers let Vogel go after their meltdown 2 seasons ago, but I'm glad they didn't, he showed resiliency after Bird backed him and led that Pacers team further than most expected....

[Hassan Darkside]

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Same reason Scott Brooks got fired, the team went as far as they could with that coach. The Pacers last year (13-14) had so many internal issues and all the talk was how Vogel didn't have credibility in the locker room. The Pacers team that went to 2 ECF no longer has an open window. The PG injury set them back, Lance is gone, West is older and is probably trade bait now with a big expiring contract (and the dude deserves to ring chase), Hibbert is forever mediocre...etc. They need new blood. Vogel wouldn't be a bad choice to coach a rebuilding team, it's just my opinion if Brooks can get fired, I don't see why Vogel couldn't either.

So you list all the issues with their roster as reasons to blow it all up, but ignore that they still managed to win 38 games with arguably one of the 5 worst rosters top to bottom in the league? And Vogel should get gone just for the sake of rebuilding?

I can't subscribe to that. Maybe if they won 12 games last year and they visibly quit on their coach. Not for speculation during a rough patch a year and a half ago.

[cima]

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I know rumors entertain us, but is anyone feeling this tweet is suspect? Especially since it's dated for tomorrow... Sheridan sources are pretty solid, but this-1 just seems suspect

The tweet is real: https://twitter.com/sheridanhoops/st...17690591547395