2015 Offseason Thread

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So there was cause to change it prior to this year? I don't recall hearing much noise about it in previous years that's why I'm asking.

I honestly dont remember sans the scheduling and back to backs with strength of schedule.

I think that was the last straw and saw potential for more issues in the future

[ojandpizza]

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Mehh, if Jones was good enough he would have played more. Simple as that, he wasn't consistent enough or a big enough upgrade over the guys ahead of him to get minutes. He wasn't a difference maker and always looked uncomfortable.

The Snell comparison isn't the same really, because both Snell and Kirk came in to play shooting guard. We know Kirk got the minutes because Thibs liked his "pesky" defense and because he isn't going to take Jimmy's minutes when Jimmy plays 40+ minutes a night. But it's easy to say "play Snell over Kirk" when they play the same position and Kirk is shooting air balls.. That wasn't really a similar case for Jones in OKC.

Jones didn't have anyone to really challenge for a spot. Fisher is a different position and his sole purpose was to hit open 3's and clutch baskets. Morrow, Sef, Lamb, DJ, all better 3 point shooters and off ball players. Which is exactly what your role has to be if you're playing with RW and KD. Hell even Ibaka is a more consistent shooter from both midrange and the 3 than Jones. And he wasn't going to take minutes from Perk, Adams, etc because he can't play inside and doesn't rebound well for his size. Wasn't taking Ibaka or Collison's minutes at PF because Ibaka is there 3rd scorer, best rebounder, best shot blocker, and they run plays through Nick off the bench and he defends bigs better.

We saw what Jones looked like with bigger minutes. If his shot was falling he put up good numbers, if it wasn't he didn't. Pretty much that simple. His shot is extremely inconsistent, he doesn't grab many boards, he doesn't make plays, he doesn't have a good off the dribble game to attack. He's a good positional defender, meaning he can guard most small forwards or very small 4's. Guys quicker and bigger are bad matches for him.

I just don't think him being on the bench hurt any sort of development. Because he isn't showing any sort of extreme promise to be something more than what he is. For example compared to Greek Freak who had similar size. He attacks well, shows promise as a play maker, shows the ability to get to the line, shows the ability to play 3 positions at both ends, he shows lots of promise. Perry doesn't really have that. He doesn't have any area to his game that stands out to show extreme potential.

He'll get more minutes and his confidence will grow, he'll put up better numbers and become more consistent. But outside of that I don't think he's really anything more than what we've already saw. He'll improve just like any young player would with more minutes, but he's not transforming into something we haven't already saw glimpses of. He isn't some player that we'll be looking back pondering why he couldn't get minutes, IMO at least.

Even with starting some games last year his per 36 was still only 10ppg, 4rbs, 1apg, 1.4tov, and over 3 attempts from 3 a game at 23%. He was just never consistent enough, aggressive enough, or good enough off ball to carve out a role in OKC.


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[The 24th Letter]

2015 Offseason Thread

It's something that's been talked about since '06 when the Mavs were sitting at the 4th seed with the 2nd best record in the West. I'm assuming this year was the tipping point...plus we have a new commissioner who seems to be all about improving the game...

[ojandpizza]

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I honestly don't really see a problem with it. That's how it works even in high school, you could be the 3rd best team in the state but if 1 and 2 both play in your region you aren't getting a high seed come tournament time. Same with colleges and strength of conference schedules.

Divisions might as well be eliminated since they serve no purpose now. I don't have a problem with the change, but I didn't have a problem with how it was before either. You still have to beat the same teams to get to the finals. It's a pointless change really.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Mehh, if Jones was good enough he would have played more. Simple as that, he wasn't consistent enough or a big enough upgrade over the guys ahead of him to get minutes. He wasn't a difference maker and always looked uncomfortable.

The Snell comparison isn't the same really, because both Snell and Kirk came in to play shooting guard. We know Kirk got the minutes because Thibs liked his "pesky" defense and because he isn't going to take Jimmy's minutes when Jimmy plays 40+ minutes a night. But it's easy to say "play Snell over Kirk" when they play the same position and Kirk is shooting air balls.. That wasn't really a similar case for Jones in OKC.

Jones didn't have anyone to really challenge for a spot. Fisher is a different position and his sole purpose was to hit open 3's and clutch baskets. Morrow, Sef, Lamb, DJ, all better 3 point shooters and off ball players. Which is exactly what your role has to be if you're playing with RW and KD. Hell even Ibaka is a more consistent shooter from both midrange and the 3 than Jones. And he wasn't going to take minutes from Perk, Adams, etc because he can't play inside and doesn't rebound well for his size. Wasn't taking Ibaka or Collison's minutes at PF because Ibaka is there 3rd scorer, best rebounder, best shot blocker, and they run plays through Nick off the bench and he defends bigs better.

We saw what Jones looked like with bigger minutes. If his shot was falling he put up good numbers, if it wasn't he didn't. Pretty much that simple. His shot is extremely inconsistent, he doesn't grab many boards, he doesn't make plays, he doesn't have a good off the dribble game to attack. He's a good positional defender, meaning he can guard most small forwards or very small 4's. Guys quicker and bigger are bad matches for him.

I just don't think him being on the bench hurt any sort of development. Because he isn't showing any sort of extreme promise to be something more than what he is. For example compared to Greek Freak who had similar size. He attacks well, shows promise as a play maker, shows the ability to get to the line, shows the ability to play 3 positions at both ends, he shows lots of promise. Perry doesn't really have that. He doesn't have any area to his game that stands out to show extreme potential.

He'll get more minutes and his confidence will grow, he'll put up better numbers and become more consistent. But outside of that I don't think he's really anything more than what we've already saw. He'll improve just like any young player would with more minutes, but he's not transforming into something we haven't already saw glimpses of. He isn't some player that we'll be looking back pondering why he couldn't get minutes, IMO at least.

Even with starting some games last year his per 36 was still only 10ppg, 4rbs, 1apg, 1.4tov, and over 3 attempts from 3 a game at 23%. He was just never consistent enough, aggressive enough, or good enough off ball to carve out a role in OKC.


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Tony plays at the 3 as well man. Anyway, there's no argument to be made about Hinrich deserving to be playing more minutes than Tony Snell considering Tony literally does EVERYTHING on the court better than Kirk in addition to being taller.

Anyway, again, someone getting buried on the bench isn't always a "if he was good enough to play, he'd play" situation. Jimmy Butler was in that spot too until Thibs had no choice but to play him.

[ojandpizza]

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And Jimmy played well when he got his opportunity and kept the spot. Jones didn't. He's good enough to go somewhere else and get a bigger role, but not for OKC. He's too inconsistent and never showed promise to be able to play off ball. Was too small and didn't shoot well enough or rebound well enough to be a stretch 4. And definitely wasn't taking Durant's minutes or the ball out of his or RW's hands..

If he was good enough in any area to make OKC better he would have played. He should be able to get more burn and a bigger role in Boston though.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

2015 Offseason Thread

And someone getting buried on the bench isn't always a case of a Coach not liking said player. Isn't necessarily that simple and sometimes it's deeper than that.

Goes both ways, my friend.

[areobee401]

2015 Offseason Thread

Who would have though Perry Jones III would be the most talked about Celtics free agent acquisition in years.

[King_B_Mack]

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And someone getting buried on the bench isn't always a case of a Coach not liking said player. Isn't necessarily that simple and sometimes it's deeper than that.

Goes both ways, my friend.

Yeah, it does go both ways. Glad you're pointing that out. Never said it was always a coach not liking a player though sooooo yeah.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2015 Offseason Thread

Yeah, it does go both ways. Glad you're pointing that out. Never said it was always a coach not liking a player though sooooo yeah.

You literally said he was buried for no real reason lol.

If that was supposed to be a joke and wasn't supposed to be taken serious or some of your famous hyperbole, then I clearly missed it and that's my bad.

Hell, I even said that both of them had a role in it and that you couldn't necessarily assign most of the blame towards one side.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Here ya'll go

We know the gist of the story.

DeAndre Jordan had second thoughts about signing the Mavericks, so he met with the Clippers again. They stayed at his house – including Blake Griffin sending hilarious tweets – until Jordan officially re-signed.

But it might not have played out that way if Griffin’s first message to Jordan landed.

Ramona Shelburne and Tim MacMahon of ESPN:

Jordan had called Griffin on Monday to say he was having serious misgivings about his decision. He had built a life in Los Angeles. Why was he leaving? Had he just gotten caught up in the frenzy of the recruiting process? Did he really want to be the face of a franchise? Griffin told Jordan he had made a commitment and needed to live up to it. They’d still be friends, regardless of whether they were teammates. But Jordan seemed troubled. Griffin told him he needed to call Rivers if he really wanted to revisit his decision.

I bet Griffin is sure glad he added the part about calling Doc Rivers. If Jordan had just listened to Griffin’s advice about honoring his commitment, the Clippers wouldn’t be title contenders.

That excerpt is part of a fantastically detailed account of Jordan’s free agency. I suggest you read it in full.

Another interesting portion covers Jordan partying with Mavericks forward Chandler Parsons in June – when the NBA permits players, but not team executives and owners, to recruit pending free agents.

Shelburne and MacMahon:

The night started with dinner at Boa on the Sunset Strip and ended across the street at a swanky club called Bootsy Bellows, where Cuban just happened to be entertaining a group of associates from his TV show, “Shark Tank.” With Cuban across the club, Jordan, Parsons and Matthews sipped on drinks and discussed the possibility of playing together in Dallas.

I suppose it’s possible Mark Cuban being at the same restaurant was pure coincidence. And I suppose it’s possible he didn’t say a word to Jordan while they were there.

But anyone using circumstantial evidence to complain about the Clippers violating unofficial decorum should also ask whether circumstantial evidence says Cuban violated official tampering rules.

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That was an article from a day or so ago.

[King_B_Mack]

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You literally said he was buried for no real reason lol.

If that was supposed to be a joke and wasn't supposed to be taken serious or some of your famous hyperbole, then I clearly missed it and that's my bad.

Hell, I even said that both of them had a role in it and that you couldn't necessarily assign most of the blame towards one side.

Yes, I was talking about this specific situation with Perry Jones. Where was I saying every time someone is buried on the bench it's a matter of the coach not liking said player? OJ was in here talking about if you're stuck on the bench it means you're there based solely on you and not playing good enough, which is a blanket statement on everybody in that situation. I simply pointed out two situations where that wasn't the case and you're in here trying to act like I'm the one making the blanket statement? You don't have to tell me it works both ways, I know that, I never said anything to the contrary of that.

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Forgot to mention in the NBATV press conference Silver held today

@SpearsNBAYahoo
Adam Silver says a "significant amount of teams" are still losing money in the NBA because their expenses exceed revenue.

The reason alot of guys are taking 2 year deals is not for the tv contract but because the NBAPA told them to take 18 month contracts because of the possibility of a lockout

[redsrule]

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Adam Silver is beyond full of ****.

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