2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[Majingir]

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Ya, KG,Willis,Parish were all tied at 21.

I think Dirk is the next closest guy in the NBA to that and he's now at 19.

[CMH]

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Silver has some nerve acting like the league doesn't benefit from super teams.

Perhaps he's forgetting how Mozgov should be thanking LeBron and the Miami Heat for his new contract.

[Majingir]

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It's funny how suddenly now there's a problem with it. NBA didn't seem to care when Lakers,Celtics,Lebron and others had stars teaming up. But when a smaller market like GSW does it, suddenly it's a problem.


Just too bad that NBA won't ever be like other sports in terms of parity. It's a superstar league,and will always be like that. Manning, one of best QB ever in the NFL, and look at his struggles to get SB wins. Crosby is considered the best player in the NHL, and only just won his 2nd cup. Cabrera/Kershaw considered 2 of the best players of the past decade in baseball, and aside from Cabreras 1WS win in his rookie season(when he wasn't even a notable part of the team), nothing else won.

But in NBA, like that stat from a few weeks ago stated, something like 95% of teams who've won the NBA championship the past 35-40 years, have all had MVPs on their team.

Sure, from an outsiders perspective, it would be cool to see the superstar battles in big series. But from a fans perspective, its kind of demoralizing at times knowing your team with no MVP caliber player, has a shot at a championship.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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They should make a rule in that if you finish with a top 5 record, you can only sign 6th men and scrubs.

And if you win 60 games or more, you're banned from signing FA for 1 year.

That'll stop all these super teams from forming again!

[Vni]

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It was planned because Durabt said Kobe told him thats the team they were going to put together in the olympics.

Just for the record, I'am pretty sure Kobe told durant about CP3 coming to L.A. not 39yo broken leg Steve Nash.

[bigeastbumrush]

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People will watch super teams on TV just to see them lose.
People will show up to arenas to watch super teams mop up their local home team.
Baseball/hockey/football lovers will go out and buy merchandise of their new favorite bandwagon super team.

Let's not act like people who didn't even follow basketball hated the Heatles because of LeBron's Decision.

Silver is just toeing the line trying to show that he cares for the smaller market owners.

Meanwhile he's raking in the dough hand over foot each and every successive year.

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Just for the record, I'am pretty sure Kobe told durant about CP3 coming to L.A. not 39yo broken leg Steve Nash.

Kobe called that a month before it happened,” Durant told Yahoo! Sports while promoting his new movie “Thunderstruck.”

“I didn’t believe him. He was just like, ‘We are going to have Dwight. We are going to have Steve Nash.’ He just talks a lot of trash, jokes and laughs. But he said it. I don’t think anyone paid attention to it but me and him. He said it and it happened. And they got better, a lot better.”

[ojandpizza]

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Silver lying out his *** that it's bad for the league. Half the people will bandwagon the **** out of them, the half half hate them. Both ways it's getting publicity and making the league more money.

For the people questioning the whole "teaming up" thing.. If you really can't see why someone would look at THIS situation different then Lord bless your blind eyes.

Technically players leaving, getting traded, ring chasing, that's all happened.. A team making 2 straight finals, winning 73 games, adding a top 3 player in the league has never happened.. Especially when a guy already on your team is also considered in that top 3. Two MVP's, two scoring champions, 4 All Star, 4 All-NBA teamers, 4 top 15 players in the league, none of them over the hill or declining, all in their prime and perhaps improving still..

If you really can't see the unique-ness in this situation and why some people might view it differently then it's pointless for you to even debate about it. You're blind, out of the loop, lost.


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[redsrule]

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KG in the locker room around all of those young players will probably be more valuable than anything he does on the floor.

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KG in the locker room around all of those young players will probably be more valuable than anything he does on the floor.

I'm pretty sure they'll end up selling him a piece of the team when he retires. 8 years off from 30(average persons work on a regular job) years in the NBA. That's insane!

[ProfessaPackMan]

2016 Offseason Thread

Silver lying out his *** that it's bad for the league. Half the people will bandwagon the **** out of them, the half half hate them. Both ways it's getting publicity and making the league more money.

For the people questioning the whole "teaming up" thing.. If you really can't see why someone would look at THIS situation different then Lord bless your blind eyes.

Technically players leaving, getting traded, ring chasing, that's all happened.. A team making 2 straight finals, winning 73 games, adding a top 3 player in the league has never happened.. Especially when a guy already on your team is also considered in that top 3. Two MVP's, two scoring champions, 4 All Star, 4 All-NBA teamers, 4 top 15 players in the league, none of them over the hill or declining, all in their prime and perhaps improving still..

If you really can't see the unique-ness in this situation and why some people might view it differently then it's pointless for you to even debate about it. You're blind, out of the loop, lost.


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I wanna argue this so bad but for the sake of not rehashing the same arguments just to end up going in one big circle, I'll pass.

But I will point out the irony and hypocrisy in regards to some of things mentioned though.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Any team (especially small market teams) that has a player that wants to hit the FA market is taking a risk by not trading them. OKC was put in a bad position by the cap increase because obviously KD would have benefited from waiting to sign in the offseason instead of extending last season. Normally, if a player won't extend, then it's much easier to get trade them, but waiting kind of screwed them. Hopefully, they learned from that and get something for RWB rather than just letting him walk.

Regarding OKC and Harden, I read this on reddit last week and found it to be very interesting. *spoilered for length

Spoiler

Redditor:
I apologise if the following is common knowledge but I've heard people talk about the Harden trade a lot (shout out to Simmons) and can't remember ever hearing this story. I was going to paraphrase what Windhorst said but the filibuster he gave was so good I decided to transcribe it. I edited what he said a bit to make it easier to follow. This story is taken from the true hoop podcast from yesterday, starting around the 34 minute mark if you’d prefer to listen to it.

Some Context:
Ethan Strauss asks the guys if the Harden trade “lit the fuse” for Kevin Durant’s decision to join Golden State and ultimately ruin OKC's roster. Windhorst says he thinks the Thunder losing a 3-1 lead in the WCF was the key factor. Someone else (Tom Haberstroh?) tries to clarify Ethan’s point by asking would the Thunder have lost that lead with Harden on the team? This sparks Windhorst to get something off his chest…

Brian Windhorst:
“So here’s the thing guys, I have to step in here, you cannot look at that trade and say either/or. The Thunder were the product of their own misjudgements but they were the product of some terrible misfortune along the way. And one of the misfortunes was in 2011 a new CBA came in with extremely penal luxury tax penalties and as part of that CBA, without Durant even asking for it, [the league] grandfathered his contract in to giving him the ‘Rose provision’. When the CBA opened (the next year) it was like “by the way, you now have a luxury tax that’s twice or three times as penal as it was before, when you were planning your team. Oh and by the way, we decided we’re giving Kevin Durant three more million dollars over every year of his contract” and the Thunder we’re like “umm…WHAT?!” And it was such a bad deal for the Thunder that the league later refunded them the money but it was too late because they had to make the decision on Harden. Now if you wanna retort and say…
Someone else on the panel interrupts with a big “wait, whaaat?” because, like me, they can’t believe this **** either

BW (cont.)
“…So as you know, there’s this thing called the ‘Rose provision’. It was called the ‘Rose provision’ but it might as well have been called the ‘Durant provision’ because he was the first person to actually get it. (It allows a player) to get extra money if you made two all NBA teams or were voted into two all-star games. Durant had signed his extension before the CBA and it was kicking in as soon as the new CBA came in. He didn’t have the opportunity to get the ‘Rose provision’ (in this contract because it didn’t exist when he was negotiating his contract). And somewhere in the lawyering…
Amin Elhassan jumps in to mention that the Rose Provision is negotiable between the player and the team from 25%-30% of the cap. However, in Durant’s case the league gave him the full 30% retrospectively without negotiation.

BW (cont.)
“They just gave it to him and it was a crazy decision and pardon my podcast French but they absolutely screwed the Thunder on it. Now, you’re gonna say “what are you complaining about? So what you have to give KD more money” but it screwed the Thunder’s planning. All of a sudden it meant that they had to account for three million dollars more per year for the next five years when they had to try and decide on Harden. And you may say to them “well you’re still an idiot because you should still pay Harden and pay the luxury tax. What’s your freaking problem, Thunder?” and the answer is they were horribly afraid of the repeater tax which they’d be in right now if they had signed Harden. So yes, if you want to frame the decision that they screwed up with Harden – yeah - but they got a terrible piece of misfortune there.”
And in case anyone wants to ask “well, why not still blame the Thunder’s cheap owners for not paying the repeater tax?”...

BW (from a little later in the pod):
“All I’m saying is, the thunder’s point of view of it is, that we’re now in year 6 of the CBA and the Thunder would have been a tax payer for 5 of those 6 years had they done the Harden deal and therefore they would not be in a position to do anything. As you know, the repeater tax even scared away Prokhorov. He fled on the repeater tax. The Miami heat fled on the repeater tax. [The league] has been trying to figure out ways to create a hard cap – well you’ve finally found it. Everybody’s afraid of that repeater tax, even guys like Micky Arison who are worth like 8/10 billion and Prokhorov, one of the richest people in the world, are afraid of the repeater tax. And that’s what OKC was afraid of and that’s what was put on their plate (by the league). They knew that because they had Durant and Westbrook and if they added Harden they’d be deep in the repeater tax by now and they still couldn’t afford them.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...ndhorst_story/


In hindsight, it's easy to say that OKC screwed up by trading Harden too early, but the NBA put them in a bad situation by giving KD the Rose Provision without any negotiation. All of that, along with the cap influx basically is what helped KD make his decision to move on from OKC.

Yeah it was really good pod, I found it super interesting. was this the one where they had Royce Young on it.. btw he still seems salty about the whole thing. but that might of been the next one anyway haha...

[ehh]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

It's funny how suddenly now there's a problem with it. NBA didn't seem to care when Lakers,Celtics,Lebron and others had stars teaming up. But when a smaller market like GSW does it, suddenly it's a problem.

The league did have an issue with LeBron and it was a point of discussion during the 2011 lockout but all we got was some lame luxury tax nonsense. The Lakers & Celtics aren't comparable IMO.

Bottom line is that the league will go on. The league isn't in danger. I doubt we'll ever go through an era like the early aughts where it was a perfect cocktail of negatives that caused the ratings to plummet for an extended period. This money train will keep on chugging.

[JohnDoe8865]

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Shams Charania: Free agent Christian Wood has agreed to a two-year deal with the Charlotte Hornets, league sources tell The Vertical.

I'm pumped! Love this kid's upside.

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The league did have an issue with LeBron and it was a point of discussion during the 2011 lockout but all we got was some lame luxury tax nonsense. The Lakers & Celtics aren't comparable IMO.

Bottom line is that the league will go on. The league isn't in danger. I doubt we'll ever go through an era like the early aughts where it was a perfect cocktail of negatives that caused the ratings to plummet for an extended period. This money train will keep on chugging.

Can you show me specific quotes from the commissioner that the league ia not okay with the heatles?

Those dudes basically got together and planned to hpok up together as soon as free agency started...

Bosh doing a documentary and all...lebron walked off on the cavs and they never heard from him again until the espn special

It was hilarious but the salty and scared wagon riders are a sight to see right now.


Some of em dont even care that theyre being hypocritical either.

Havent come to the acceptance stage yet