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    • Sep 2002
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    Phil Jackson on Kobe

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    Throwing the Book at Bryant
    In new diary, Jackson paints Laker star as key figure in last season's tumult, says he wanted to trade him.

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    </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> By J.A. Adande, Times Staff Writer

    The "unavoidable" conflict between coach Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant led Jackson to ask the Lakers to trade Bryant in January and hampered the team's shot at the 2004 championship, Jackson wrote in a soon-to-be-released diary of the season.

    A 5,500-word excerpt of "The Last Season" will appear in the November issue of Los Angeles magazine, which will hit newsstands Monday. The book, published by Penguin Press, will come out this month. A copy of the magazine excerpt was made available to The Times on Monday.

    Although the book is Jackson's personal look at the tumultuous year, Bryant emerges as the central figure.

    "I do know that there were many occasions this year when I felt like there was a psychological war going on between us," Jackson wrote. "Amazingly, we came to a truce, even to a higher level of trust. Ultimately, though, I don't believe we developed enough trust between us to win a championship."

    Jackson details their deteriorating relationship, marked by Bryant's defiance and Jackson's own budding prejudice against him.

    The coach had a January "tirade" about Bryant in front of General Manager Mitch Kupchak in which Jackson demanded the team trade Bryant and said, "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."

    Jackson also revealed that he wanted to trade Bryant to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion during the 1999-2000 season, Jackson's first with the Lakers, but that Jerry West, then the team's general manager, told him owner Jerry Buss would never trade Bryant. Jackson wrote that Kupchak told him the same thing last season.

    Jackson suspected that the organization's public announcement in February that it had suspended contract negotiations with him was a means of appealing to Bryant, who became a free agent at the end of the season.

    In their final meeting, days after the Lakers lost to the Detroit Pistons in the NBA Finals, he asked Bryant whether Jackson's return would influence his decision to re-sign with the Lakers, "He said I should make up my mind about my future independently of his decision," Jackson wrote.

    Jackson told him he was going to retire.

    "Really?" Bryant asked, his eyebrows rising.

    Then Jackson asked whether Shaquille O'Neal's presence on the team would affect Bryant's decision.

    "Yes, it does," Bryant said, according to Jackson.

    Jackson told them they could play together, to which Bryant responded, according to Jackson: "There's no doubt about that. I've done that for eight years with him, but I'm tired of being a sidekick."

    (Buss said over the summer that his decision to trade O'Neal — he eventually was dealt to Miami for Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and Caron Butler — was made independently of Bryant. Bryant said he had no role in either Jackson's or O'Neal's departures.)

    Bryant's relationship with O'Neal — which slid from chilly to frozen — was an unavoidable topic for Jackson as well.

    In Jackson's first meeting with Bryant before the season, Bryant said he would hold his ground in the public war of words with O'Neal.

    "If he starts saying things in the press, I'll fire back," Bryant said. "I'm not afraid to go up against him. I've had it."

    Jackson wrote that after O'Neal and Bryant exchanged shots in the media two days before the start of the season, O'Neal was frustrated at what he perceived as an organizational favoritism toward Bryant and said: "I'd like to pound the chump."

    When O'Neal missed practice the day after the All-Star game, Bryant told Jackson: "That just shows you what kind of leader he is."

    "He was angry about the allowances the Lakers afford Shaq, failing to note the hypocrisy in his accusation," Jackson wrote. "Nobody this year, or in any year I've coached, has received more 'allowances' than Kobe Bryant. At times the pettiness between the two of them can be unbelievably juvenile."

    Jackson and O'Neal had their own squabbles, but Jackson called coaching O'Neal "an experience I will cherish forever."

    He didn't use those words for Bryant.

    Among the "allowances" the organization made for Bryant was to pay part of the expense of Bryant's taking private jets to and from Colorado for hearings in his sexual assault case. Jackson wrote, "Kobe was unhappy with the type of plane that was selected; he wanted one with higher status. He should feel fortunate that he's not footing the bill himself."

    Jackson thought Bryant was disrespectful during the season, whether mocking him or flat-out defying orders. An incident when Bryant told Jackson he would do some running, then didn't follow through, set off Jackson's January trade demand.

    But another incident showed Jackson how much of the battle was his own doing. In March, Bryant was late for a bus to the airport, by Jackson's reckoning. Bryant insisted he was on time and Jackson should "get with the rest of the world" and synchronize his watch. Jackson later checked with a trainer and discovered that Bryant was right; Jackson's watch was three minutes fast.

    "The incident illustrated to me how conditioned I am to find fault with this kid, after everything I've gone through with him," Jackson wrote. "I suppose the anger is deeper than I imagined."

    Jackson had reached the conclusion before the season that "a major confrontation between the two of us seems unavoidable."

    It prompted Jackson to hire a therapist "who has dealt with narcissistic behavior in the Los Angeles public school system" to consult during the season.

    Jackson wrote that he knew he would be out of a job after he took the me-or-him stance with Bryant, and deep down inside it was what he wanted after the usual rigors of the NBA season and the unusual drama on "this dysfunctional team." That decision was confirmed in his final meeting with Buss, when he was told the team wanted to scale back and would go in a direction that didn't involve Jackson as coach.
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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #2
    Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

    Wow!

    I knew the situation was bad but that's some crazy stuff. It does seem that Kobe gets his way far too often and that also demonstrates the hardships of having 2 franchise players on one team. The thing that really shocked me was the fact that Kobe got more "allowances" than even Michael Jordan himself. I hope that Rudy T doesn't have this kind of problem with Kobe in the future. It seems that the veneer that surrounded Kobe in the past has faded and there's almost no way for him to get it back.
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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

      Wow!

      I knew the situation was bad but that's some crazy stuff. It does seem that Kobe gets his way far too often and that also demonstrates the hardships of having 2 franchise players on one team. The thing that really shocked me was the fact that Kobe got more "allowances" than even Michael Jordan himself. I hope that Rudy T doesn't have this kind of problem with Kobe in the future. It seems that the veneer that surrounded Kobe in the past has faded and there's almost no way for him to get it back.
      Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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      • TarHeelMan
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        • Jul 2002
        • 7853

        #4
        Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

        What makes you think Rudy T won't have the same problems? Kobe's the one pulling all the strings, regardless of what he or management/ownership says. This is a no-win situation.

        I've read things about Kobe in the past that have led me to dislike him more and more, and he's not gonna change just because he wants to "clean up his image". The behavior he's displayed is fostered over the course of time, and can't just be wiped away... It's part of who he is.

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        • TarHeelMan
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          • Jul 2002
          • 7853

          #5
          Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

          What makes you think Rudy T won't have the same problems? Kobe's the one pulling all the strings, regardless of what he or management/ownership says. This is a no-win situation.

          I've read things about Kobe in the past that have led me to dislike him more and more, and he's not gonna change just because he wants to "clean up his image". The behavior he's displayed is fostered over the course of time, and can't just be wiped away... It's part of who he is.

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          • GeePee20
            MVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 3178

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            Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

            Jackson also revealed that he wanted to trade Bryant to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion during the 1999-2000 season, Jackson's first with the Lakers, but that Jerry West, then the team's general manager, told him owner Jerry Buss would never trade Bryant. Jackson wrote that Kupchak told him the same thing last season.
            Wow! Imagine that trio. Kidd, Marion, and Shaq??

            If that trade was really accepted by Phoenix, I can't believe the Lakers didn't pull the trigger.

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            • GeePee20
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              • Feb 2003
              • 3178

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              Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

              Jackson also revealed that he wanted to trade Bryant to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion during the 1999-2000 season, Jackson's first with the Lakers, but that Jerry West, then the team's general manager, told him owner Jerry Buss would never trade Bryant. Jackson wrote that Kupchak told him the same thing last season.
              Wow! Imagine that trio. Kidd, Marion, and Shaq??

              If that trade was really accepted by Phoenix, I can't believe the Lakers didn't pull the trigger.

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              • SportsTop
                The Few. The Proud.
                • Jul 2003
                • 6716

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                Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                Originally posted by SportsmanTO
                Wow!

                I knew the situation was bad but that's some crazy stuff. It does seem that Kobe gets his way far too often and that also demonstrates the hardships of having 2 franchise players on one team. The thing that really shocked me was the fact that Kobe got more "allowances" than even Michael Jordan himself. I hope that Rudy T doesn't have this kind of problem with Kobe in the future. It seems that the veneer that surrounded Kobe in the past has faded and there's almost no way for him to get it back.
                I won't deny that it seems Kobe Bryant is used to getting his way and does so more often than not, but this illustrates just how big the egos were among all three of them (Bryant, Jackson, O'Neal).

                Based on what I've seen and read, I'd guess that Jackson is used to getting his way or he leaves (a la Chicago/L.A.) and Shaq is used to getting his way or he demands a trade (a la Orlando/L.A.).

                It's amazing what egos can do to dynasties in sports.
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                • SportsTop
                  The Few. The Proud.
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 6716

                  #9
                  Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                  Originally posted by SportsmanTO
                  Wow!

                  I knew the situation was bad but that's some crazy stuff. It does seem that Kobe gets his way far too often and that also demonstrates the hardships of having 2 franchise players on one team. The thing that really shocked me was the fact that Kobe got more "allowances" than even Michael Jordan himself. I hope that Rudy T doesn't have this kind of problem with Kobe in the future. It seems that the veneer that surrounded Kobe in the past has faded and there's almost no way for him to get it back.
                  I won't deny that it seems Kobe Bryant is used to getting his way and does so more often than not, but this illustrates just how big the egos were among all three of them (Bryant, Jackson, O'Neal).

                  Based on what I've seen and read, I'd guess that Jackson is used to getting his way or he leaves (a la Chicago/L.A.) and Shaq is used to getting his way or he demands a trade (a la Orlando/L.A.).

                  It's amazing what egos can do to dynasties in sports.
                  Follow me on Twitter!

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                  • fsquid
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 17635

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                    Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                    once we attained permission from the league to make sure the funds wouldn't be applied to the salary cap -- to cover a percentage of his private plane expenses to and from Colorado for court hearings. This will cost thousands of dollars. Kobe was unhappy with the type of plane that was selected; he wanted one with higher status.
                    what a ****.

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                    • fsquid
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 17635

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                      Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                      once we attained permission from the league to make sure the funds wouldn't be applied to the salary cap -- to cover a percentage of his private plane expenses to and from Colorado for court hearings. This will cost thousands of dollars. Kobe was unhappy with the type of plane that was selected; he wanted one with higher status.
                      what a ****.

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                      • TarHeelMan
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 7853

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                        Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                        I'm sure this will be construed as piling on by the Kobe apologists here, but there was an article on Kobe in ESPN Magazine, and it detailed some incidents where you really have to question this guy's character. It seems he was sent to China fully comped by adidas. He decides to bring along his personal barber, as part of his entourage. The barber's mother is allowed to come along as well. It seems Kobe decides he wants a haircut while the barber is out sightseeing with his mother. Since he's not there when Kobe wants, Kobe has his people pack up their stuff and put them on the next flight to the US. I read that, and I was disgusted. What an arrogant self centered prick. I like Chris Childs even more for tapping his jaw that one time.

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                        • TarHeelMan
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
                          Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                          I'm sure this will be construed as piling on by the Kobe apologists here, but there was an article on Kobe in ESPN Magazine, and it detailed some incidents where you really have to question this guy's character. It seems he was sent to China fully comped by adidas. He decides to bring along his personal barber, as part of his entourage. The barber's mother is allowed to come along as well. It seems Kobe decides he wants a haircut while the barber is out sightseeing with his mother. Since he's not there when Kobe wants, Kobe has his people pack up their stuff and put them on the next flight to the US. I read that, and I was disgusted. What an arrogant self centered prick. I like Chris Childs even more for tapping his jaw that one time.

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                          • fsquid
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 17635

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                            Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                            that's some good stuff in there. He sounds like just another big prick.

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                            • fsquid
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 17635

                              #15
                              Re: Phil Jackson on Kobe

                              that's some good stuff in there. He sounds like just another big prick.

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