Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

[pbasq]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

well, stop passing him the ball with 5 seconds left on the shot clock...stop asking why he isnt taking shots for your team...dont ask him to play a number 2 when he has "1" ability

its crazy how a lot of folks depict kobe as a non leader...but they always want him to do the right things, such as LEAD!!!!!!!!


life is funny that way, i guess

People expect this from him because he is one of the Marquee players in the league. If you are a marquee player in the league then you better be expected to lead the troops. Magic was the general, Jordan was the general, Bird was the general. Leading a team is more than just scoring and shooting. The guy only cares about himself and where he stands in history. He won those championships because of Shaq being there...Kobe couldn't do it on his own (just like Jordan couldn't do it w/o Pippen, Paxson,etc.), and i'm sure that bothers him!! Only Kobe would not appreciate having a big man like shaq. Put him on the Celtics and i'm sure Paul Pierce won't be complaining!!

[Admiral50]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

i actually think you are serious


take kobe off those title teams, lets see where that 25 ppg avg goes to


yea, you could give those 25 to shaq, but he'd be a dead horse by the 4th quarter...let alone, a seven game series

And take Shaq off that team and see where those rings go to...

[Admiral50]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

i actually think you are serious


take kobe off those title teams, lets see where that 25 ppg avg goes to


yea, you could give those 25 to shaq, but he'd be a dead horse by the 4th quarter...let alone, a seven game series

And take Shaq off that team and see where those rings go to...

[Admiral50]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

substitute mike with dominque and they still take those rings


so the whole "better team" argument isnt valid in my books...it was 85 percent jordan, most likely more

Odom isn't the player Pippen was, certainly not defensively and Kobe isn't Jordan so that should be enough. But then look at the important helpers the Bulls had, like Grant, Paxson, Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc and more. The Lakers must find those key ingredients because 'a dominant sg' simply isn't enough. The closest we've seen to that statement (excluding your Jordan one man team theory) is Iverson and his bunch of scrub Sixers.

I've been saying it for a while now that Kobe has a tough time on his hands but you're lucky, because if he and his team do well you'll let everyone know about it, then if they suck you'll make excuses it's his teammates who are crap.

This will be a great year because it will shut up a lot of people one way or another

[Admiral50]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

substitute mike with dominque and they still take those rings


so the whole "better team" argument isnt valid in my books...it was 85 percent jordan, most likely more

Odom isn't the player Pippen was, certainly not defensively and Kobe isn't Jordan so that should be enough. But then look at the important helpers the Bulls had, like Grant, Paxson, Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc and more. The Lakers must find those key ingredients because 'a dominant sg' simply isn't enough. The closest we've seen to that statement (excluding your Jordan one man team theory) is Iverson and his bunch of scrub Sixers.

I've been saying it for a while now that Kobe has a tough time on his hands but you're lucky, because if he and his team do well you'll let everyone know about it, then if they suck you'll make excuses it's his teammates who are crap.

This will be a great year because it will shut up a lot of people one way or another

[pbasq]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Odom isn't the player Pippen was, certainly not defensively and Kobe isn't Jordan so that should be enough. But then look at the important helpers the Bulls had, like Grant, Paxson, Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc and more. The Lakers must find those key ingredients because 'a dominant sg' simply isn't enough. The closest we've seen to that statement (excluding your Jordan one man team theory) is Iverson and his bunch of scrub Sixers.

I've been saying it for a while now that Kobe has a tough time on his hands but you're lucky, because if he and his team do well you'll let everyone know about it, then if they suck you'll make excuses it's his teammates who are crap.

This will be a great year because it will shut up a lot of people one way or another

Right on my brother!!

[pbasq]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Odom isn't the player Pippen was, certainly not defensively and Kobe isn't Jordan so that should be enough. But then look at the important helpers the Bulls had, like Grant, Paxson, Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc and more. The Lakers must find those key ingredients because 'a dominant sg' simply isn't enough. The closest we've seen to that statement (excluding your Jordan one man team theory) is Iverson and his bunch of scrub Sixers.

I've been saying it for a while now that Kobe has a tough time on his hands but you're lucky, because if he and his team do well you'll let everyone know about it, then if they suck you'll make excuses it's his teammates who are crap.

This will be a great year because it will shut up a lot of people one way or another

Right on my brother!!

[jordan0386]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I've been saying it for a while now that Kobe has a tough time on his hands but you're lucky, because if he and his team do well you'll let everyone know about it, then if they suck you'll make excuses it's his teammates who are crap.

not exactly...

ive seen what AI, paul, kg, tracy have done...and ive seen what kobe has done labeled as a number 2 option

its not that hard to believe that he will carry the lakers to post season

as ive said, you dont have to be as good as jordan or better than him, but if he was able to carry a team to the post season...and he obviously did well afterwards...its not far off to believe kobe can take this laker team to the playoffs

the thing is, a lot of you just dislike kobe, so you slant his ability by giving excuses of how ihs team is bad and how he plays in the west, and how he isnt a leader, a rat, what have you, WHATEVER

if you just look at kobe bryant, the basketball player that he is today, since he has been in the league, since he has won three rings, countless game winning buckets, rebounds, what have you...big moment ability

ITS NOT THAT HARD TO THINK HE WILL CARRY A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS

[jordan0386]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I've been saying it for a while now that Kobe has a tough time on his hands but you're lucky, because if he and his team do well you'll let everyone know about it, then if they suck you'll make excuses it's his teammates who are crap.

not exactly...

ive seen what AI, paul, kg, tracy have done...and ive seen what kobe has done labeled as a number 2 option

its not that hard to believe that he will carry the lakers to post season

as ive said, you dont have to be as good as jordan or better than him, but if he was able to carry a team to the post season...and he obviously did well afterwards...its not far off to believe kobe can take this laker team to the playoffs

the thing is, a lot of you just dislike kobe, so you slant his ability by giving excuses of how ihs team is bad and how he plays in the west, and how he isnt a leader, a rat, what have you, WHATEVER

if you just look at kobe bryant, the basketball player that he is today, since he has been in the league, since he has won three rings, countless game winning buckets, rebounds, what have you...big moment ability

ITS NOT THAT HARD TO THINK HE WILL CARRY A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS

[pbasq]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Jordan, you are absolutely correct, Kobe is a great player and he's one of the best in the league and it's possible that he may sneak his team into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed, but if i'm starting a team from scratch i WOULDN'T add Kobe to that team! His shot selection leaves a lot to be desired, he's selfish, he doesn't know how to work w/in the confines of a team.

[pbasq]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Jordan, you are absolutely correct, Kobe is a great player and he's one of the best in the league and it's possible that he may sneak his team into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed, but if i'm starting a team from scratch i WOULDN'T add Kobe to that team! His shot selection leaves a lot to be desired, he's selfish, he doesn't know how to work w/in the confines of a team.

[Streets]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Only Kobe would not appreciate having a big man like shaq. Put him on the Celtics and i'm sure Paul Pierce won't be complaining!!

COSIGN!!

Jordan, people aren't getting mad b/c ur saying that Kobe will make the playoffs. Most people have The Los Angeles Kobes pegged at 7 or 8. So quit turning it into that. People are getting mad because you are comparing The L.A. Kobes to a Bulls team that went 72-10. SEVENTY TWO AND 10. The Kobes couldn't beat the Sonics in pre-season, with Kobe playing like it was the championship game! Thus, people are getting mad at you making such a bold comparison.

#1 If you wanna compare Kobe's current situation to someone, compare it to Paul Pierce, AI, Tmac, people who can carry their teams to the playoffs with scrubs and role players, but wont win a title

#2 If you wanna somehow fit Kobe in a comparison to the Bulls dynasty, it can only be done with the 3-peat Lakers, not the current Lakers. And I'm sorry, but even then Kobe wasn't the best in the league, he wasn't even the best on his team. He was the number two option. He was Scottie Pippen, I know you wanna say he's MJ, but he's not. Shaq was. When The Lake show was winning titles, Shaq was the most dominant player in basketball. I'm not sayin Kobe was just a role player, because thats not the case, he's elite, but so is Pippen. Shaq and MJ couldnt have won their rings without their #2's. Pippen and Bryant are both top 50 and similar in alot of ways. Except Scottie would never say "I wanna be the man, get rid of MJ"...Which is exactly what Kobe did to Shaq.

[Streets]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Only Kobe would not appreciate having a big man like shaq. Put him on the Celtics and i'm sure Paul Pierce won't be complaining!!

COSIGN!!

Jordan, people aren't getting mad b/c ur saying that Kobe will make the playoffs. Most people have The Los Angeles Kobes pegged at 7 or 8. So quit turning it into that. People are getting mad because you are comparing The L.A. Kobes to a Bulls team that went 72-10. SEVENTY TWO AND 10. The Kobes couldn't beat the Sonics in pre-season, with Kobe playing like it was the championship game! Thus, people are getting mad at you making such a bold comparison.

#1 If you wanna compare Kobe's current situation to someone, compare it to Paul Pierce, AI, Tmac, people who can carry their teams to the playoffs with scrubs and role players, but wont win a title

#2 If you wanna somehow fit Kobe in a comparison to the Bulls dynasty, it can only be done with the 3-peat Lakers, not the current Lakers. And I'm sorry, but even then Kobe wasn't the best in the league, he wasn't even the best on his team. He was the number two option. He was Scottie Pippen, I know you wanna say he's MJ, but he's not. Shaq was. When The Lake show was winning titles, Shaq was the most dominant player in basketball. I'm not sayin Kobe was just a role player, because thats not the case, he's elite, but so is Pippen. Shaq and MJ couldnt have won their rings without their #2's. Pippen and Bryant are both top 50 and similar in alot of ways. Except Scottie would never say "I wanna be the man, get rid of MJ"...Which is exactly what Kobe did to Shaq.

[jordan0386]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Except Scottie would never say "I wanna be the man, get rid of MJ"...

are you sure about that



far be it from me to see it can be the same situation...the pieces are in place...im not saying kobe is/will ever be jordan...im not saying odom is/will ever be pippen...im saying they have the talent to make the situation similar

kobe..1
the goods...2

role players


thats all im saying...some folks call me a jock rider for kobe...wats up with the MJ lovin on a pole...his run ended in 98

[jordan0386]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Except Scottie would never say "I wanna be the man, get rid of MJ"...

are you sure about that



far be it from me to see it can be the same situation...the pieces are in place...im not saying kobe is/will ever be jordan...im not saying odom is/will ever be pippen...im saying they have the talent to make the situation similar

kobe..1
the goods...2

role players


thats all im saying...some folks call me a jock rider for kobe...wats up with the MJ lovin on a pole...his run ended in 98