The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[VDusen04]

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I don't understand how anyone can be so against the ruling.

Agreed. And I say that as someone who was a part of the "sometimes bodies move in weird ways" committee after the Steven Adams situation.

Green's kind of been playing with fire since then. I think he had a leg takedown at another point as well. And I mean, that's how he plays, and to neuter that can sometimes limit what makes him so special in the first place. But considering all the shenanigans, intentional or not, that he's been through of late, it'd be tough to let a swat to the groin go without punishment. A flagrant 1 is typically minor, and would fit this crime.

In all honesty, I think it illustrates how much of a no-win situation the NBA always finds itself in. If Green emerged without a flagrant, everyone would be crying about how the league's rigged for the Warriors. Now that he's been assessed a flagrant, there's a giant contingent crying about that too.

[DJ_Solis]

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I thought they should give out techs but I really didn't think they'd give out a flagrant. Seems unnecessary because it didn't look like there was even much contact to warrant that call. I didn't even think of that as a big play at the time and only started to think that it could be a suspension once I heard Bron lobbying for the league to look at the play.
Its whatever though. Shouldn't have an impact on the end result of the series. I never understood what exactly made a play flagrant anyway, so this just kinda fits in with that. Btw, why did they upgrade Dray's kick to Adams to a 2 in the first place? Seemed like they should of either suspended him or just left the call how it was.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I thought by rule, Techs can only be assessed during the game and not after?

If that's the case, what exactly are you T'ing up Lebron for at this point?

[VDusen04]

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I'm not doing a very good job of articulating what I'm saying.

Draymond Green is one of my least favorite players in the league and quite frankly I think he deserves the flagrant. And I get that the suspension is on him because of the accumulated techs/flagrants that he's gotten. But I cannot help but feel like the punishments were doled out arbitrarily, with the knowledge that an automatic suspension would be coming for Green as a result, to help negate any arguments of arbitrary punishments in terms of someone getting suspended.

Like I said before, if roles were reversed and LeBron is the one facing suspension for accumulated techs/flagrants if he gets another one, I can't imagine the NBA assessing one in the NBA Finals. And as pointed out, that's not just for LeBron, it goes for every superstar.

I just love the fact that a guy can step over a guy and basically put his nuts in his face and instigate and wind up getting off with virtually nothing.

So, with respect, you're speaking strictly hypothetically, less about a situation that actually just happened and more about a situation you think would happen if it were to ever occur but never has?

I think Kiki VanDeWeghe got this one right. James stepping over Green and his barking was absolutely technical foul worthy. It was unsportsmanlike. Yet, there was no intent to injure, no fists thrown, nothing. Green responded to the unsportsmanlike play with excessive contact to the James' groin (i.e. any contact to the groin is usually going to be excessive).

[wco81]

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Because he didn't foul Draymond, so therefor he cannot get a flagrant? That's pretty obvious no?

He got a technical foul, I actually don't believe that's a lesser penalty. They are treated the same in the game no?

So how is he getting lesser penalty?

They were both given common fouls in the game.

So the league is retroactively upgrading the penalties, Flagrant 1 for Draymond, technical for Lebron.

Why didn't they upgrade Lebron's penalty to at least the same one as Draymond's?

Are you saying he's less culpable in this incident, even though he instigated the whole thing?

[ojandpizza]

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I thought by rule, Techs can only be assessed during the game and not after?

If that's the case, what exactly are you T'ing up Lebron for at this point?

I guess for "instigating".. Though stepping over someone is basically never called a tech anyways,

[bigeastbumrush]

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What is the difference between Draymond/LeBron & Iggy/Dellevedova?

Retaliation?

I really have no problem with the ruling. It really should've been double techs though. That Flagrant 1 is nonsense.

My issue is the blatant inconsistency by the refs and the league. They are the ones who add fire to the consoiracy theories.

And SAS can kick rocks. Hold him to his word and assign him to cover baseball and hockey.

[VDusen04]

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Why didn't they upgrade Lebron's penalty to at least the same one as Draymond's?

Are you saying he's less culpable in this incident, even though he instigated the whole thing?

Because they were different acts. LeBron James was unsportsmanlike, Draymond Green's groin swat was unnecessary contact.

[wco81]

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Because they were different acts. LeBron James was unsportsmanlike, Draymond Green's groin swat was unnecessary contact.

Oh, did Delly get a Flagrant 1 for hitting Iggy in the groin too?

[swac07]

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Welp...

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I guess for "instigating".. Though stepping over someone is basically never called a tech anyways,

If that's the case, you call it DURING the game like their rule book stipulates.

Doing it after the game does nothing.

[ojandpizza]

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They were both given common fouls in the game.



So the league is retroactively upgrading the penalties, Flagrant 1 for Draymond, technical for Lebron.



Why didn't they upgrade Lebron's penalty to at least the same one as Draymond's?



Are you saying he's less culpable in this incident, even though he instigated the whole thing?

You can't receive a flagrant foul for not fouling someone though.

Them upgrading LeBron to a tech was the only way to bring his punishment up level with Dray's.

[Steven78]

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I thought by rule, Techs can only be assessed during the game and not after?

If that's the case, what exactly are you T'ing up Lebron for at this point?

No, techs can be reviewed after.

[ojandpizza]

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If that's the case, you call it DURING the game like their rule book stipulates.

Doing it after the game does nothing.

You know all its for is for the "LeBron got nothing people".. The tech is just to give them both punishment.

They didn't call the tech during the game because stepping over someone isn't a tech.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Oh, did Delly get a Flagrant 1 for hitting Iggy in the groin too?

Nope and the intent was so clear there.