The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #2701
    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    You can't receive a flagrant foul for not fouling someone though.

    Them upgrading LeBron to a tech was the only way to bring his punishment up level with Dray's.
    They're not on the same level.

    FWIW, I don't think Lebron deserved to get anything, but giving him a Tech does not put this on the same level of Dray as far as punishment goes.
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    • VDusen04
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2003
      • 13031

      #2702
      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

      Originally posted by wco81
      Oh, did Delly get a Flagrant 1 for hitting Iggy in the groin too?
      Nuance. Lots of nuance. Maybe Matthew Dellavedova hit Andre Iguodala in the groin on purpose, just like Draymond Green could have kicked Steven Adams on purpose. However, contrary to what the league says, intent does play a role to some degree when it comes to judging how necessary a given act truly was (which is the same reason we don't suspend players for accidentally poking someone else in the eye).

      I don't think it would have been too wild to see Matthew Dellavedova receive a Flagrant for that play. But I also thought there was a very good chance it was just a guy going for a steal and striking out.

      In Green's latest play, the fact that his groin strike was very likely retaliatory makes the call a little easier to make. Unlike Dellavedova, there's really no alibi surrounding the strike - there's nothing about Green's hit that suggests he could have even vaguely been making a basketball play.

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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #2703
        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

        Furthermore...how the hell do you call a Flagrant during a dead ball?

        I'm not sifting through no rule book but there was no basketball play involved from either player.

        The hell?

        Double techs or nothing.

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        • ProfessaPackMan
          Bamma
          • Mar 2008
          • 63852

          #2704
          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

          Originally posted by Steven78
          No, techs can be reviewed after.
          Reread my post again. I said ASSESSED, not reviewed. And yes, there is a difference.
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          • swac07
            MVP
            • Feb 2007
            • 1843

            #2705
            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

            Lol at yall wanting lebron to get a flagrant as well.. maybe the league should give iverson a flagrant now for stepping over lue back in the day as well c'mon now

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #2706
              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              You know all its for is for the "LeBron got nothing people".. The tech is just to give them both punishment.

              They didn't call the tech during the game because stepping over someone isn't a tech.
              If you say so
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              • inkcil
                All Star
                • Jul 2002
                • 5253

                #2707
                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                I'm so tired of hearing about that man's health.

                That's not to say he's not hurt because I'm sure he is injured...but he also ain't the only player currently playing that is not healthy. You think Lebron or Kyrie or Klay or anyone else is healthy right now? Hell no.

                Idk, I just get tired of hearing about this man's knee every single game it feels like. And it's not that we're questioning whether he is hurt....we just tired of hearing about it. Like how many different times can they tell us that man is hurt? We get it by now lol
                About as many times as we had to hear that Cleveland was not healthy for the last 365 days...
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                • airjoca
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 643

                  #2708
                  Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                  I just read the definition of a flagrant foul according to nba rules.

                  By their own definition, that play can't be a flagrant.

                  Hoping the Warriors crush them.

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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #2709
                    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                    I honestly don't believe this makes much difference anyways. GS should close this out game 5 at home.


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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #2710
                      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #2711
                        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                        Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                        Furthermore...how the hell do you call a Flagrant during a dead ball?



                        I'm not sifting through no rule book but there was no basketball play involved from either player.



                        The hell?



                        Double techs or nothing.


                        Was it a dead ball?

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                        • VDusen04
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 13031

                          #2712
                          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                          Originally posted by DJ_Solis
                          Btw, why did they upgrade Dray's kick to Adams to a 2 in the first place? Seemed like they should of either suspended him or just left the call how it was.
                          I think the current result is probably exactly why the league gave him a flagrant 2. Folks complained that it was a toothless penalty at the time but Kiki VanDeWeghe tried to be like, "Hey, this is the right punishment, but it's not a light punishment. This could come back to haunt them" (paraphrasing quote). Weeks later, we've found out why properly upgrading or downgrading plays matter, culminating in Green's quota suspension.

                          Originally posted by airjoca
                          I just read the definition of a flagrant foul according to nba rules.

                          By their own definition, that play can't be a flagrant.

                          Hoping the Warriors crush them.
                          The NBA's flagrant definitions aren't exactly limiting, mostly surrounding the notion of unnecessary contact; pretty open to interpretation.
                          Last edited by VDusen04; 06-12-2016, 02:00 PM.

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #2713
                            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                            Originally posted by airjoca
                            I just read the definition of a flagrant foul according to nba rules.

                            By their own definition, that play can't be a flagrant.

                            Hoping the Warriors crush them.


                            How so?

                            Flagrant 1 ruling is unnecessary contact.. So why by their wording of the rule can it not be called?

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                            • swac07
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 1843

                              #2714
                              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                              In the end player history can be a bummer....for future references draymond has to stop putting himself in situations were any action he commits seems "questionable" ...just my take.... his absence "shouldn't" hinder the warriors performance Monday imo

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                              • jeebs9
                                Fear is the Unknown
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 47568

                                #2715
                                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                                Originally posted by swac07
                                In the end player history can be a bummer....for future references draymond has to stop putting himself in situations were any action he commits seems "questionable" ...just my take.... his absence "shouldn't" hinder the warriors performance Monday imo

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                                Agreed! But I will say. That's Green.... He likes to Mix it up.

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