The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[Teddy_Long]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

Other than the Laker players that lost a lot of championships against Bill Russel and the Celtics, is there another (star) player that lost as many finals as LeBron?

none, lebron is the new wilt.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

I'll hold off on the praise for Silver until I see exactly what they plan to do as far as penalizing teams/players because a small percentage of them can't.....nah, I'll leave it alone.

Don't want to get them upset, lol.

[Kashanova]

Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

I saw way too much confusion on defending offball screens, especially when Kyrie was involved. Also, There was no cutting at all, especially when other players were getting doubled. Cavs iso'ed way too much, I'd like to see them get back to what got them there in the first place, ball movement.

[VDusen04]

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I'll hold off on the praise for Silver until I see exactly what they plan to do as far as penalizing teams/players because a small percentage of them can't.....nah, I'll leave it alone.

Don't want to get them upset, lol.

Always love a good Hack-a-Shaq debate, even if someone kicks it off passive aggressively, haha.

Even as a Pistons fan, I kind of enjoyed watching Andre Drummond suck at free throws. It was fascinating and circus-like.

However, considering that a game's rules are intended to dictate how a game's supposed to be played, and considering that fouls were intended to detract defenders from committing illegal acts instead of encouraging them, I see virtually nothing to lose in closing a loophole that virtually every other league already has covered (there's a reason Hack-a-Shaq'ing has never been viable in Preps, College, or FIBA).

Terrible free throw shooters have cost teams throughout history, even in the absence of Hack-a-Shaq. Andre Drummond sat out the last two minutes of games just as well (where Hack-a-Shaq is already outlawed). We don't need half court away-from-the-ball hugs that have nothing to do with defense or the game of basketball to prove these guys are awful at the line.

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Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

I think he stated this desire for change back in February as well. Still not a sure thing though, of course.

Still, some interesting stats regarding Hack-a-Shaq:

- There was a two-and-a-half times increase of Hack-a-Shaq instances this year over last (aka it more than doubled in just one year).

- It's increased 16-fold over the last five years.

Yeesh.

I think it's a sure thing now. He mentioned a compromise.

I knew it was real when he started mentioning their money partners

[DieHardYankee26]

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What is the rule change gonna be that kills it? Off ball fouls just take the ball out? How do they fix it?

[PabloLFC]

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Maybe off ball fouls don't count towards the foul count or something like that.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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[VDusen04]

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What is the rule change gonna be that kills it? Off ball fouls just take the ball out? How do they fix it?

For the past few years, the D-League has just been running the NBA's last-two-minutes rule all game (that is, obviously intentional away-from-the-ball fouls are one free throw and the ball).

It's just been tough to weigh the rule change's success at that level because I don't think the D-League had a lot of Hack-a-Shaq'ing in the first place. So, the away from the ball fouls are virtually non-existent at that level now, but compared to a low sample in the first place.

I honestly feel it could be as simple as that. Many NBA coaches already hate Hack-a-Shaq, they just need a reason to not do it (many do so begrudgingly in the "I hate it but I guess we gotta use it if it's there" line of reasoning). I think one free throw and the ball would go a long way in that regard. If it at least gets rid of the "Five K.J. McDaniels hugs in nine seconds" situations, that's a great start.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Always love a good Hack-a-Shaq debate, even if someone kicks it off passive aggressively, haha.



Even as a Pistons fan, I kind of enjoyed watching Andre Drummond suck at free throws. It was fascinating and circus-like.



However, considering that a game's rules are intended to dictate how a game's supposed to be played, and considering that fouls were intended to detract defenders from committing illegal acts instead of encouraging them, I see virtually nothing to lose in closing a loophole that virtually every other league already has covered (there's a reason Hack-a-Shaq'ing has never been viable in Preps, College, or FIBA).



Terrible free throw shooters have cost teams throughout history, even in the absence of Hack-a-Shaq. Andre Drummond sat out the last two minutes of games just as well (where Hack-a-Shaq is already outlawed). We don't need half court away-from-the-ball hugs that have nothing to do with defense or the game of basketball to prove these guys are awful at the line.

Like I said, I'm holding off on praise until I see what they plan to do.

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They have a competition committee that will decide what happens.

Also aid they won't be moving the 3 point libre back any time soon because they don't think it gives curry for example any personal advantage

[PabloLFC]

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Maybe off ball fouls don't count towards the foul count or something like that.


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I've just realised how stupid this is

[ojandpizza]

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none, lebron is the new wilt.

Well that's bull****

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I still think the Cavs are in good shape despite what happened last night and how it happened.

[Teddy_Long]

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in good shape, really? not sure on that one. the two best players on gs will not be cold in game 2.