This is disgusting

[Falkowski83]

Re: This is disgusting

Good lord. It had nothing to do with the technicality. I was explaining the difference between innocent and not guilty(just like you asked.. maybe you should take the time to think before you make reply posts). Obviosuly you have trouble grasping simple concepts. It had nothing to do with the technicality only a simple concept as legal finding vs fact.

Well, didn't read all the previous posts, but as a law student (final year) i need to give my 2 cents.

I'm a law student in Brazil, the criminal system is a bit different, but the concepts do not differ. Clarifying one point: not guilty is the same of innocent. period. Don't know the details of the crime, but it could be self defense. No proofs? Innocent. It can't be prooved that you commited the crime. period. You didn't commit any crime, so you can't be found guilty or receive any sanctions by the society for that. Does that really happens? No, there is always dicrimination from the society on the person who commited a felony, or an assault aginst the life of someone.

In Brazil, there is not the word not-guilty. When you are considered not-guilty, the word used here is INNOCENT. In my personal opinion, it is better than your definition, so there is no discrimination on the terms nor with the person.

Someone brought the OJ Simpson case. BTW, I read Johnnie Cochran's book, and there is A LOT of stuff on the Simpson case. The proof he got (glove)evidently took the blame off Simpson. He could not have committed the crime. perios. What happened there was a media sensationalism that created a pre-concept on the minds of the regular people. That happens a lot everywhere.

Just to finish this, I'm not disrespecting anyones opinion (understand your point of view), but technically not-guilty is the SAME as innocent.

[Air23]

Re: This is disgusting

bdunn said leave it alone...

I replied to this before I saw his post.

[Air23]

Re: This is disgusting

bdunn said leave it alone...

I replied to this before I saw his post.

[jordan0386]

Re: This is disgusting

thats what i was thinking...but i have read articles in the last few minutes stating otherwise...



bdunn came off as if he was clearly right, and im an idiot...but its nice to know im not the only one who felt that way doesnt hurt that my point was backed up by a future lawyer

[jordan0386]

Re: This is disgusting

thats what i was thinking...but i have read articles in the last few minutes stating otherwise...



bdunn came off as if he was clearly right, and im an idiot...but its nice to know im not the only one who felt that way doesnt hurt that my point was backed up by a future lawyer

[Skins4Life]

Re: This is disgusting

Well, didn't read all the previous posts, but as a law student (final year) i need to give my 2 cents.

I'm a law student in Brazil, the criminal system is a bit different, but the concepts do not differ. Clarifying one point: not guilty is the same of innocent. period. Don't know the details of the crime, but it could be self defense. No proofs? Innocent. It can't be prooved that you commited the crime. period. You didn't commit any crime, so you can't be found guilty or receive any sanctions by the society for that. Does that really happens? No, there is always dicrimination from the society on the person who commited a felony, or an assault aginst the life of someone.

In Brazil, there is not the word not-guilty. When you are considered not-guilty, the word used here is INNOCENT. In my personal opinion, it is better than your definition, so there is no discrimination on the terms nor with the person.

Someone brought the OJ Simpson case. BTW, I read Johnnie Cochran's book, and there is A LOT of stuff on the Simpson case. The proof he got (glove)evidently took the blame off Simpson. He could not have committed the crime. perios. What happened there was a media sensationalism that created a pre-concept on the minds of the regular people. That happens a lot everywhere.

Just to finish this, I'm not disrespecting anyones opinion (understand your point of view), but technically not-guilty is the SAME as innocent.

I hear what you are saying, but at least from what I have studied so far (Im taking a lot of pre law classes now) what the poster above you said is what I have been tought. Im not saying its right or wrong, just saying its what i have been tought

To add to that... most times a LACK OF EVIDENCE is what gives you the label "not guilty" but in no way does it make you innocent. If you commit the perfect crime and leave nothing that can be used against you in court.. you will be not guilty due to lack of evidence. But you're not innocent because you commited the crime... you just didn't have to pay the consequences.

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[Skins4Life]

Re: This is disgusting

Well, didn't read all the previous posts, but as a law student (final year) i need to give my 2 cents.

I'm a law student in Brazil, the criminal system is a bit different, but the concepts do not differ. Clarifying one point: not guilty is the same of innocent. period. Don't know the details of the crime, but it could be self defense. No proofs? Innocent. It can't be prooved that you commited the crime. period. You didn't commit any crime, so you can't be found guilty or receive any sanctions by the society for that. Does that really happens? No, there is always dicrimination from the society on the person who commited a felony, or an assault aginst the life of someone.

In Brazil, there is not the word not-guilty. When you are considered not-guilty, the word used here is INNOCENT. In my personal opinion, it is better than your definition, so there is no discrimination on the terms nor with the person.

Someone brought the OJ Simpson case. BTW, I read Johnnie Cochran's book, and there is A LOT of stuff on the Simpson case. The proof he got (glove)evidently took the blame off Simpson. He could not have committed the crime. perios. What happened there was a media sensationalism that created a pre-concept on the minds of the regular people. That happens a lot everywhere.

Just to finish this, I'm not disrespecting anyones opinion (understand your point of view), but technically not-guilty is the SAME as innocent.

I hear what you are saying, but at least from what I have studied so far (Im taking a lot of pre law classes now) what the poster above you said is what I have been tought. Im not saying its right or wrong, just saying its what i have been tought

To add to that... most times a LACK OF EVIDENCE is what gives you the label "not guilty" but in no way does it make you innocent. If you commit the perfect crime and leave nothing that can be used against you in court.. you will be not guilty due to lack of evidence. But you're not innocent because you commited the crime... you just didn't have to pay the consequences.

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[bdunn13]

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I hear what you are saying, but at least from what I have studied so far (Im taking a lot of pre law classes now) what the poster above you said is what I have been tought. Im not saying its right or wrong, just saying its what i have been tought

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Correct.

In other countries the terms differ. But in the US innocent is a term of fact. Its NOT a legal term. Not guilty = there is a reasonable doubt you did not commit the crime. In no way shape or form does it say you did NOT do it. Thats what innocent is.

You can be innocent and yet be found guilty. Likewise, ou can be found guilty and yet be innocent.

[bdunn13]

Re: This is disgusting

I hear what you are saying, but at least from what I have studied so far (Im taking a lot of pre law classes now) what the poster above you said is what I have been tought. Im not saying its right or wrong, just saying its what i have been tought

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Correct.

In other countries the terms differ. But in the US innocent is a term of fact. Its NOT a legal term. Not guilty = there is a reasonable doubt you did not commit the crime. In no way shape or form does it say you did NOT do it. Thats what innocent is.

You can be innocent and yet be found guilty. Likewise, ou can be found guilty and yet be innocent.

[bdunn13]

Re: This is disgusting

thats what i was thinking...but i have read articles in the last few minutes stating otherwise...



bdunn came off as if he was clearly right, and im an idiot...but its nice to know im not the only one who felt that way doesnt hurt that my point was backed up by a future lawyer

And yet, you and the BRAZILIAN lawyer are both wrong. Does it feel better to be wrong in a crowd instead of solo?

[bdunn13]

Re: This is disgusting

thats what i was thinking...but i have read articles in the last few minutes stating otherwise...



bdunn came off as if he was clearly right, and im an idiot...but its nice to know im not the only one who felt that way doesnt hurt that my point was backed up by a future lawyer

And yet, you and the BRAZILIAN lawyer are both wrong. Does it feel better to be wrong in a crowd instead of solo?

[jordan0386]

Re: This is disgusting

fact of the matter is, let the man live his life...in the end, he will be dealt with accordingly

[jordan0386]

Re: This is disgusting

fact of the matter is, let the man live his life...in the end, he will be dealt with accordingly

[poster]

Re: This is disgusting

I just don't get why the NBA would want the negative publicity. David Stern can clearly say anyone who goes near him will be fined and heavily, this way he is blackballed. And why would Clev. want to subject a young star to a bum like JWill.

[poster]

Re: This is disgusting

I just don't get why the NBA would want the negative publicity. David Stern can clearly say anyone who goes near him will be fined and heavily, this way he is blackballed. And why would Clev. want to subject a young star to a bum like JWill.