2017 Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

It's not as black and white as you're trying to suggest. I really don't think I should even have to explain this. It's obvious small markets stuck are at a disadvantage no? Their location typically isn't the most attractive, most don't have owners willing to spend out the *** to keep up with the top teams, etc.

Either way I'll bite.. LAC just signed Blake back. Knicks signed Carmelo. Lakers signed Dwight, bout to get PG. And the rest of his teams listed haven't been good enough to attract FA or just we're outbid. Chicago and Dallas still at least land meetings with top FA's.. something that Indy, Milwaukee, Utah, Sac, Orlando, Memphis etc can't even do.


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If it's not as black and white as I'm trying to make it, then why are you complaining solely about him going to a big market team as if that's the only factor? Is San Antonio a small market? They're ranked 24 behind Orlando in the country, so I don't think what you say is as obvious as you say it is. What is obvious to me is that a free agent would factor in a bunch of things into their decision and that no one would make a decision solely to play in a specific market, but that's just me.

Clippers resigned Blake, so what? The Hawks just lost Paul Millsap, they're in the 9th ranked market to the 16th. Clippers also drafted Blake. The Knicks traded half our team for Carmelo, and then had the honor of him hampering half of our salary cap, give me a break. Dallas has been getting snubbed in meetings for years, we've been making fun of Cuban not getting a free agent forever. People tried to use that garbage when DeAndre Jordan dissed them like Dallas is a small market. People just bring up the small market excuse whenever convenient.

If Gordon Hayward came out and said I was sick of the small spotlight in Utah and wanted a bigger stage in Brooklyn I would understand the outrage. This dude went back to the coach that gave him his first chance and people are acting like this is a small market big market issue.

[TheShizNo1]

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Y'all are right about D12. So replace him with Nash lol. And Melo was going to the Knicks regardless of a trade and reupped with them when he became a FA in '14.


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Wasn't Nash ring chasing? You gotta put context with some of these, man.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I mean just because their with the team for 8 years doesn't really mean much. Not like they're contenders all those 8 years. It's not until like year 5 that they're playing near their prime level usually anyway.

As for changes, I'd go the NFL route. Put a hard cap in place, franchise tags, etc.

And caveman - Name me the best FA Indy, Utah, Milwaukee, etc has signed like ever?


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1. Seems to me that's a Organization issue. You got him for 8 years. Not his fault or the league's fault that his team decided to become a playoff team in his last year with them.

2. The NFL Route is worse. In fact, the NFLPA already has issues with that setup because it's not allowing guys that are the best at their position to have to wait 6-7 years to hit FA, therefore not getting their actual worth. That in itself if kinda strange when you think about it and consider that the lifespan in the NFL is much shorter now than it used to be.

Someone like Odell Beckham for example will have to wait til he's damn near 30 before he can even test FA, assuming the Giants slap him with the Franchise/Transition Tag 3-4 years in a row(which is a bigger joke as well).

3. Wasn't considered a big deal at the time when the Bucks signed Greg Monroe? Especially when everyone assumed he was going to NY yet he decided to go to "Small Market" Milwaukee?

[jeremym480]

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Yep this is true. I have heard Marc Gasol's name thrown out there by The Vertical as a potential trade target this morning. Don't know how in the blue hell it's feasible but it's out there.

As much as I love Marc Gasol

a) I don't think there's any way to get him without giving up Smart, Bradley, and Crowder which would basically kill our defense/identity/depth

and

b) I don't like him and Horford playing together in today's NBA

I'd rather trade for a big on a rookie deal. Someone like WCS or Richaun Holmes. Maybe a S&T for JaMychal Green depending on what he ends up getting as a RFA.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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They offered him less without having to directly offer him. We pretty much did their job for them.

That's why I think D.Lo will be wearing Wizard colors in two years. You guys just love helping us too much.

[redsox4evur]

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Wasn't Nash ring chasing? You gotta put context with some of these, man.

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Yea, Nash was ring chasing at that point, he was 38 years old at that point and had been in the league for 17 years. Also he was acquired in a sign and trade so Phoenix did get something back for him. They got a 1st and 2 2nds for him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I thought D12 and Melo were traded for? One left and the other is trying to get out.

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The funny thing about Dwight is that he first requested a trade to the New Jersey Nets of all teams.

Think about that. We weren't **** then and we're still 2 years away from Brooklyn and he wanted to spend those years playing in freaking New Jersey. I damn sure don't remember folks calling us big market then.

Someone tell me what FAs have been flocking to Miami lately? I remember hear how they were "big market" when they had the Heatles but why aren't guys running there now? Other than the James Johnson's and Dion Waiters' of the world.

It's a silly argument that holds no weight and hasn't for awhile.

[cabra1]

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We're counting Boston as a big market? Is that just because they signed a guy from a small(er) market team?

And even if they are considered big market, it doesn't matter because they've been taking L's in free agency for quite a while.

[jb12780]

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Knicks might as well be a small market team. No one wants to come here either.

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[redsox4evur]

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Someone tell me what FAs have been flocking to Miami lately? I remember hear how they were "big market" when they had the Heatles but why aren't guys running there now? Other than the James Johnson's and Dion Waiters' of the world.

Also Pat Riley is supposed to be some master recruiter, the weather is great year round, no state income taxes, etc. Really why have guys been blowing off Miami since Lebron left?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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That's why I think D.Lo will be wearing Wizard colors in two years. You guys just love helping us too much.

Lol y'all can barely afford 4 guys, I ain't worried bout y'all taking players from any team, even us.

Besides, we already helped y'all out by taking that 1st rd pick from y'all in exchange for us not paying Bojan this offseason, which is looking like y'all might not do the same either. [emoji1478]

[areobee401]

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We're counting Boston as a big market? Is that just because they signed a guy from a small(er) market team?

And even if they are considered big market, it doesn't matter because they've been taking L's in free agency for quite a while.

Right!

Gordon Hayward signing with Celtics sets off a small market vs. large market discussion.

This is so funny to me. Boston has notoriously been known to never attract top tier free agents. Last year Al Horford signs with them. The wide reaction outside of the Celtics fanbase (and some from within) was "eh, cute". This offseason Gordon Hayward signs with the Celtics. A guy who is viewed as a 15-25 ranked player. Probably wouldn't sniff an all-star spot in the Western Conference next season.

Now all of a sudden Boston is this evil large market destination top tier free agents are knocking down the door to sign with.

[Caveman24]

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Nobody said nothing when LMA went to the Spurs. Now, all hell breaking loose over Gordon y'all funny.

[RedSceptile]

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The levels of salt for guys deciding to leave teams literally blows my mind. Sometimes I think some of you guys have only had one job your whole life and never seeked opportunity elsewhere. I find it especially funny when guys are even taking less money to go elsewhere because rhey want to play there. Let us ignoring all the cherry picked points but can we seriously accept the fact that most guys either want to play in a place that in their opinion 1) gives them the best chance to win or 2) is a place the consider home, love whatever.


Anytime I here someone go boo hoo small market team owners won't spend as much all I can do is laugh. Now we are in the business of defending the multi billionaires because they don't want to spend a few millions on their franchise? Let alone ignore the fact that we have the salary share sysyem which literally makes most "big market teams" give " smaller market teams" money. Stop acting like these owners need help. At this point it is pretty much comical. Guess what players are still humans and have certain wants and needs. The same one of yall crying about dudes leaving to different teams won't bat an eye at a guy getting traded left and right for his contract or any other factor. Please stop making yall emotions abandon any level of rational thought. Last time I checked choice and change were basic human rights. These dudes are employees to franchises stop treating them like they are slaves or they owe you something and more like people making life and business decisions.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Lol y'all can barely afford 4 guys, I ain't worried bout y'all taking players from any team, even us.

Besides, we already helped y'all out by taking that 1st rd pick from y'all in exchange for us not paying Bojan this offseason, which is looking like y'all might not do the same either. [emoji1478]

If Ted wants to win he'll spend the money. If he's serious about becoming a basketball city and surrounding Wall with talent like he deserves he'll spend the money.

Bojan cooled off considerably after his first month. I'm not too worried replacing him, but would like to see him back if I'm being honest.