2017 Offseason Thread

[areobee401]

2017 Offseason Thread

If the Celtics weren't 100% about drafting Fultz, it sounds like it should be a no-brainer now because IT2 may be getting hip surgery.



Of course a lot of their plans hinge on being able to lure Hayward into leaving Utah.



The Ringer had a piece about how the Celtics could build simultaneously for 2018 and 2025.



But if IT2 does have that major surgery, 2018 may not be in the cards. Without IT2 playing at 2017 level, the Celtics just do not have enough. Horford and Bradley should be no more than the third best players on a team aspiring to be a contender.



Stevens kind of alluded to maybe not all the players being back next year. Well among guys who played regularly, Johnson is a UFA and Olynyk is an RFA.



Celtics need to see big improvement from their young players, particularly in shooting. Brown, Smart and Rozier all showed flashes of potential but they all have to improve on their shooting, particularly Smart, who's a bulldog on defense but hasn't been consistent enough of an offensive threat in his 3 years.

IT's hip injury and impending surgery plays zero factor in them using the pick. The very second the pick became #1 they were using it.

Saw something on The Vertical that suggested a Crowder, Rozier, Zeller and the Memphis 1st round pick for Paul George trade. Sounds like a stretch to me but if that's all it takes, let's make a deal!

[ricky24]

2017 Offseason Thread

I would be more interested in George if the deal didn't include this years pick.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2017 Offseason Thread

Per ProBasketballTalk

Want to laugh off that Chris Paul-to-Spurs rumor?

The Clippers aren’t joining you.

Marc Stein of ESPN:

The Clippers, I'm told, take the threat of a Spurs free-agent pursuit of Chris Paul very seriously despite SA's current lack of cap space.

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) May 26, 2017

The Clippers should be concerned. Losing Paul would unravel their entire foundation, dropping them from the fringe of championship contention to out of the title picture completely. It could even help usher out Blake Griffin, who will also be an unrestricted free agent this summer. (To be fair, Paul leaving could also help convince Griffin to stay.)

About a month ago, the Clippers reportedly expected Paul to stay. They even reportedly struck a verbal agreement with him to re-sign before that. But they can’t officially sign him until July, and that leaves the door open for him to leave.

The Clippers should be heartened by their advantages – a prime market and a projected max offer of $205 million over five years.

The most another team projects to be able to offer is $152 million over four years, and San Antonio will have a hard time doing that. Even if they trim their roster to Kawhi Leonard, LaMarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, Danny Green and Tony Parker, the Spurs would still have to shed two of those players to clear max cap space.

So, never say never, but the Clippers’ concern might be rooted more in the dire consequences of Paul leaving rather than the likelihood of it.

Get em Dre


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[redsox4evur]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

IT's hip injury and impending surgery plays zero factor in them using the pick. The very second the pick became #1 they were using it.

Saw something on The Vertical that suggested a Crowder, Rozier, Zeller and the Memphis 1st round pick for Paul George trade. Sounds like a stretch to me but if that's all it takes, let's make a deal!

Yep I agree. I think if we got 2 it would be a toss up if we traded it, depending on who got 1. And if we got 3 we'd be looking to trade the pick.

And it was Bobby Marks and Chris Mannix talking about the potential Celtics offseason. And Marks said that the Crowder, Rozier, Zeller, Memphis pick trade would be without a guarantee that PG13 was going to resign with the Celtics after next season.


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[wco81]

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Yep I agree. I think if we got 2 it would be a toss up if we traded it, depending on who got 1. And if we got 3 we'd be looking to trade the pick.

And it was Bobby Marks and Chris Mannix talking about the potential Celtics offseason. And Marks said that the Crowder, Rozier, Zeller, Memphis pick trade would be without a guarantee that PG13 was going to resign with the Celtics after next season.


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Crowder is the only starter so not much of a loss. And ideally, Brown would take a lot if not most of his minutes next year.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Woj did a recent radio interview and talked about the Chris Paul's FA

Not that I see. I don’t know where that came from, and I’ve spent a lot of time around the Spurs this spring. They would have to just tear up that entire payroll. It’s almost unlike anything the Spurs would have done or would do to. To even have a chance at him, they’d have to really gut the roster. And to do that for a 30-plus-year-old point guard, who has a couple great years left, there’s no question – I think there’s more pressure on the Clippers to have to re-sign him than for the Spurs to turn their whole franchise over to make a run at him. Listen, Chris Paul, financially, the difference with him being able to stay in L.A. and get paid, I’d still have a hard time imaging him leaving there. There’s so much money for him to be made. And in that Los Angeles market, in terms of his marketing endorsements, I still think they’re a pretty overwhelming favorite to re-sign him

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[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I still do not understand when people bring up marketing/endorsement opportunities being somewhere like LA or New York every during some star player's free agency. LeBron has now played his entire NBA career in Miami and friggin Cleveland, Ohio. Who wants to paint me the sad picture of LeBron's difficulty landing endorsement deals as a result? If you're a good enough player/personality and you win, there will be no shortage of endorsements for you if that's what you want. They need to stop with that tired angle, even if it is Woj.


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[wco81]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Only thing I see CP3 in are the State Farm commercials.

Maybe he does a lot of local stuff in SoCal?

With a $200 million deal on top of what he's earned already, do these commercial deals really move the needle much?

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

You should go find out and let us know when you have the answer.


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[z Revis]

2017 Offseason Thread

I still do not understand when people bring up marketing/endorsement opportunities being somewhere like LA or New York every during some star player's free agency. LeBron has now played his entire NBA career in Miami and friggin Cleveland, Ohio. Who wants to paint me the sad picture of LeBron's difficulty landing endorsement deals as a result? If you're a good enough player/personality and you win, there will be no shortage of endorsements for you if that's what you want. They need to stop with that tired angle, even if it is Woj.


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Paul George is a pretty good example of this. I'm actually surprised how well he's done in that regard. He's not a mega star like a LeBron and plays in Indiana with a 7th seed/out in the first round team lol and he's still got deals with Gatorade, Papa Johns, signature Nike shoe, 2k cover boy etc.


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[Majingir]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

The big vs small market stuff does exist. You're telling me a guy wouldn't be bigger in LA than Milwaukee? Or how Carmelo going to a bad NY team over sticking around with a good Denver team didn't actually help his "brand"?

Face it, if Lebron was from any other state he wouldn't have stuck around in Cleveland as long as he did and definitely wouldn't have returned either. And somewhere like Miami has the advantages of no taxes.


In NHL it's almost the exact opposite problem which is what hurts them at times(lack of marketable stars because their stars WANT to play for smaller market teams like an Anaheim, Tampa Bay and so on.)

[ProfessaPackMan]

2017 Offseason Thread

Sure hasn't hurt KD or Westbrook while they were in OKC, hasn't hurt AD while being NO, hasn't hurt PG while being in Indy.

Hell, Dwight went to LA and it damn sure didn't help his "brand". (Insert Blame Kobe response)

That big market/small market thing isn't as big of a factor like it used to be.

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Sure hasn't hurt KD or Westbrook while they were in OKC, hasn't hurt AD while being NO, hasn't hurt PG while being in Indy.

Hell, Dwight went to LA and it damn sure didn't help his "brand". (Insert Blame Kobe response)

That big market/small market thing isn't as big of a factor like it used to be.

I think at one time certain things mattered but things have and are still changing in the league such as players going to certain cities for more exposure, etc..

Even John Wall was talking about not getting that supermax opportunity because the Wiz wouldn't be on tv as much, but he did get it anyway.

[Majingir]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Those guys are big and all, but doesn't part of you think if they were in a bigger market, they'd actually be bigger than they currently are? In this superstar league, the superstars can transcend their market. But it doesn't mean they can't be bigger than they already are.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Not at all.

If that were the case, then why weren't guys running to NY and LA? Hell, nobody of significance even wanted to grant them so much as an interview in FA unless they were looking for that final pay day.




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