2018 Off-Season Thread

[dubcity]

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I cant wait for Kawhi's press conference, I want to see how he answers all of the questions thrown at him after this entire debacle. I'm still not really sure I understand how this all happened or why it's going how it is.

Is he even gonna do a presser? Seriously doubt it. He's gonna try to go the entire rest of his career without doing one, probably.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm guessing it's already been touched on, but I've been out of the thread for a few hours now...

Interesting angle to the Kawhi trade...if the Raptors aren't looking like a Finals contender/if they have the idea that signing Kawhi long-term is a lost cause, they can flip him to one of the LA teams, scoop up an asset or two, and in the process, probably drop themselves into the top 20 of the draft, thus making it so they don't need to surrender their 1st round pick to San Antonio

[RedSceptile]

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Man it this true? Toronto really did him dirty...

It's true, I remember word about it that off season. Like respect to Toronto and at the end of the day this is a business, it's just almost ironic that the one suoerstar in the history of the franchise that has actually wanted to be there (remember the rumors of DeRozan to the Lakers and he shut them down wuick and signed that extension) gets treated like that. It's interesting to see all the reacts from players too, everyone seems to be feeling for DeRozan and throwing shade at Toronto.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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[georgiafan]

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That is a damning recap of his deals. Well-done, sir.


Yeah, looking at it like that ... well, at least he's not giving Joe Johnson monster contracts? I mean, he's not Billy King levels of bad here, but he's certainly not winning any trade at all.



I guess you can take solace in the fact that if Trae Young plays poorly over the next 2-3 seasons, your GM will be axed. If Donic plays better than Young in year 1 (like a lot better), the odds of him getting axed greatly increase.

I feel bad about rooting for my teams star rookie to bust but our GM so bad whatever it takes to get Travis out of town I will cheer for as that's best in the longrun.

If your the thunder its a no brainer you get a major upgrade over Felton and save a boatload of $. Muscala is also solid / average player and gives them some much needed depth downlow.

Just this week I heard that its expected Schroder's legal case isn't expected to be anything major.

Again the thunder are the desperate team so make them give you a real asset if your taking on 28 million of dead $. You are the only team in the NBA (except kings) that even has a chance to do this trade why would you do it without getting a 1st round pick in return. I don't see why the entire offseason has been spent trying to get ride of a PG who is 24 years old and averages about 20 a game just bc he cant shoot and made comments to the german press.

If this trade goes down the hawks will have turned the 3rd pick in the draft along with 19,30,34 and about 30 million in cap space this summer into Trae Young, Lin, draft pick likely to be outside the top 10 and two other rookies with limited upside .

[jake44np]

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According to the Sporting News Sean Deveney...
Kawhi will not play for the Raptors, ever.
Says he is ready to sit out the whole season if need be.

[ojandpizza]

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I mean we seen/remember(at least I hope people still do even though it’s been 2 years)that THAT Kawhi was a top 3-5 player in the league. Guys like that usually make significant impacts on their teams, do they not?

I think the biggest difference is that Kawhi is only considered that highly because of how well he defends. There are quite a few guys in the league that are superior to him on the other end of the floor, and not only individually but make the other 4 guys on the court with them better to a greater degree.

The big question in this exact scenario to me would be how much better does he make Toronto defensively? Because in terms of scoring, play-making, rebounding, I don't believe he really upgraded them any. Maybe in the slightest because he is a better catch and shoot option than DeRozan, but to counter balance that I think DeRozan was a bit better in terms of "go get us a bucket" and getting himself to the rim or the free throw line. And Toronto was already top 5 in made 3's last year. He's a better defender no doubt, but their best defender last year was already a SF, and the team was already hovering around a top 5 defensive team. Biggest issues being Lowry can't defend guards quicker than him, and Ibaka can't do anything but block shots. Kawhi doesn't fix either issue.

I feel like part of Toronto's issues the last couple of years in general was Lowry and DeRozan seemed relatively close in terms of their abilities and role with the team that at times they really lacked that "alpha" guy. Too often each of them was deferring to the other and it got ugly every year when the playoff games slowed down and they needed that "alpha" to get a bucket, control the tempo, or try to stop a run from the other side. I don't know that Kawhi really solves that problem.

[BleacherBum2310]

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I think the biggest difference is that Kawhi is only considered that highly because of how well he defends. There are quite a few guys in the league that are superior to him on the other end of the floor, and not only individually but make the other 4 guys on the court with them better to a greater degree.

The big question in this exact scenario to me would be how much better does he make Toronto defensively? Because in terms of scoring, play-making, rebounding, I don't believe he really upgraded them any. Maybe in the slightest because he is a better catch and shoot option than DeRozan, but to counter balance that I think DeRozan was a bit better in terms of "go get us a bucket" and getting himself to the rim or the free throw line. And Toronto was already top 5 in made 3's last year. He's a better defender no doubt, but their best defender last year was already a SF, and the team was already hovering around a top 5 defensive team. Biggest issues being Lowry can't defend guards quicker than him, and Ibaka can't do anything but block shots. Kawhi doesn't fix either issue.

I feel like part of Toronto's issues the last couple of years in general was Lowry and DeRozan seemed relatively close in terms of their abilities and role with the team that at times they really lacked that "alpha" guy. Too often each of them was deferring to the other and it got ugly every year when the playoff games slowed down and they needed that "alpha" to get a bucket, control the tempo, or try to stop a run from the other side. I don't know that Kawhi really solves that problem.

a ton. TOR had good Defensive numbers but they really fell off after the break. This is a huge upgrade granted that Kawhi reports.

[CMH]

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After Durant signs with the Knicks next season and Chris Paul shatters his [insert body part], the road to the Finals for LeBron gets easier.

NBA always thinking ahead.

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[Majingir]

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People should just forget about regular season stats. Everyone loves making fun of the Raptors playoff chokejobs, but I've seen many people(not directing this at anyone on this site) being like "How are Kawhi and DeMar that much different?" and bringing up regular season stuff. Though even regular season numbers are different between those two as well.

Compare Kawhi in the playoffs and DeRozan in the playoffs and you'll see all you need to.

The Raptors without DeRozan or Kawhi can make the playoffs in the East (that doesn't say much). Raptors with Kawhi over DeRozan will give them better chance at doing damage in the playoffs.

Kawhis 3pt% is almost the same as DeRozans 2pt% in the playoffs!

Comparing advanced stats in playoffs, you'll see Kawhi compared to DeRozan is:
+6.3 in OBPM
+3.1 in DBPM
+6.7 in VORP
+11.1 in WS

DeRozan gets to the FT line alot more, but that's really his biggest plus over Kawhi.

[jeremym480]

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According to the Sporting News Sean Deveney...
Kawhi will not play for the Raptors, ever.
Says he is ready to sit out the whole season if need be.

At this point you really have to start to wonder if Kawhi was really hurt last season or if he was just up in his feelings.

[SPTO]

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According to the Sporting News Sean Deveney...
Kawhi will not play for the Raptors, ever.
Says he is ready to sit out the whole season if need be.

After his crap with crying about his medicals when the Spurs doctors said he was cleared to play he BETTER play or is stock is going to go so far down the drain that he'll never get a big deal.

If indeed Kawhi is THAT stupid than this will be one of the most horrible trades in Raptors history. I am sad and disappointed that the Raps traded DeRozan. I know it's a business but he's one of the 3 guys in franchise history that TRULY loved playing here and made himself into an icon in this city which is saying something in a town that's so hockey dominant.


Good luck to DeRozan. I'll always be a fan and Kawhi, don't be an EFFING PRIMADONNA BASTARD!

[SPTO]

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At this point you really have to start to wonder if Kawhi was really hurt last season or if he was just up in his feelings.

According to most reports he was up in his feelings. This guy was supposed to be the perfect San Antonio guy and all of a sudden he's turned into a big ol' baby.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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According to the Sporting News Sean Deveney...
Kawhi will not play for the Raptors, ever.
Says he is ready to sit out the whole season if need be.

He can’t do that .

[jake44np]

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Now ESPN's Chris Haynes is reporting that Kawhi has not desire to ever play for Toronto.
Love how these guys all steal each other scoops! lol

And why cant he sit out the whole year?
How can they make him play?