2018-19 Transaction Thread

[Caveman24]

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idk who they would or would have drafted but he was drafted by the Nets and traded to the Lakers so I'm just telling it how it happened. Doesn't change the main point of my post that shipping out DLo has played a major role in allowing them the space to add LeBron and possibly someone else. Throw Hart into that mix as well then, the trade at least aided a small part in the Lakers getting Kuz, Hart, LeBron, and a shot at another max player... That's still a trade you make 100 out of 100 times.

Hollinger's estimated wins added as DLo ranking out about the same level as Enes Kanter and Lou Williams in terms of wins added to a team over a replacement level palyer.. In other words, with him and a cap mess before they started making all the moves the Lakers wouldn't be making the playoffs this year but were a 3 seed with a healthy LeBron and a decent shot at star number 2 incoming.

We already had enough cap for LeBron with Mozgov lol. The Clarkson/Nance trade did that. DLo trade prepared us for this upcoming offseason. Magic, should’ve waited till around now to make the moves necessary to free up cap.

The Nets weren’t drafting Kuzma at 27, we all know it. Lakers was getting him & could’ve kept DLo if they was patient. The FO then would’ve had to make a decision of do we pay DLo etc, or do we use one of these pieces to see what we got. It was no reason to make that trade that early at all.

The FO has made some great move(Clarkson trade, drafting Kuz etc) They’ve also made some poor ones in letting DLo/Randle walk.

[jeremym480]

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My guess is that Boston's works something out by taking on Solomon Hill and sending either Horford or Hayward (possibly to a third team). That's something the Lakers or the Knicks would not do because they're trying to build their Big 3's through free agency and taking on Hill's contract would prevent them from doing that.

I think the deal ends up being - AD and Hill for Tatum, Brown/Smart, Hayward/Horford, and at least two 1st (one of them being Memphis for sure).

Then, we try to bring back Morris and Rozier. Wyc says that he doesn't care about the luxury tax, so as long as no one goes crazy and offers them big money then you bring both back for depth and continuity. Plus, since they should both get decent deals then they will be nice trade chips this time next year.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yeah, we weren’t taking Kuzma with that pick.

Why that narrative still exists, I have no idea.

[Smallville102001]

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If they get someone who is just "good" not a star and Davis goes elsewhere it's a big loss. If they plan to get a star this off-season and none are available or wanting to join a what would be a still rebuilding team if not for LeBron it's a big loss.

They want to win a chip, otherwise they wouldn't have have made all the moves they've made to even get to this point. Kuz is a good scorer, but if that's your 2nd best player you're never getting past Golden State. Saying he COULD be an all-star doesn't change the reality of what he is. Goran Dragic is an all-star, just having that title doesn't really mean much. Having "James, someone, and Kuz" is not a big 3.

It still all comes down to money. Adding a star, keeping all the young core, and adding some quality depth is a good plan in a hypothetical world. But in a landscape where guys like Otto Porter, Tristan Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Delly, Tyler Johnson, Evan Fornier are getting thrown super-star money that means Lonzo, Kuz, Ingram, Zubac, Hart, are going to get those same deals (bigger deals) coming their way.

You can't keep signing depth/stars when you already have all those players under contract. There is no free money to work with. If you want two stars, if you want more quality depth, part of the core is out. If you want the young core, well you want 3rd place at best basically.

It's nice to believe all young players will just pan out. The odds of all of them panning out however are slim. Especially since they need it to happen over the next 2-3 years rather than at their peak/prime. And the longer you wait the less value they have. 2 years from now if Kuzma is still just a decent scorer, Hart is still just a solid back up no longer can you trade them for a star, and you've overpaid to keep them. Not saying the Lakers need to ditch them all in order to try and win this season or something, but you'd be a fool to believe they want to be average over the course of LeBron's 4 years there. Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed him.

But the issue is if you get AD but lose Kuz, BI, Ball, Zubac you are going to have 2 great players with nothing around them. If lakers get AD but like lose all the young guys I dont think they are that much better than they are right now with out making like a lot of other moves to. If you have James, AD and Kuz I think that could be a big 3 I known its not a for sure thing because we dont known how good Kuz will be but I think he is going to be pretty darn good and I am tired of giving up young guys all the time and doing it to soon. Randal is playing like very close to a all star level right now and so is Russell and on nets and I dont really want to see the lakers losing another young guy who ends up playing at an all star level who they gave up to early on again. Thing is again if you have AD, James and like nothing I dont think they are really that much better than they are right now. Yes they want to win a chip but if they just have AD and James and little else they are still going to be far from a championship type of team. Also when I say some one good I mean maybe some one who is not a max player yet but may be later and who is pretty good. Think of a player who is really good but kind of underpaid at the moment. I think some people under estimate how important it is to have deapth. If you have AD and James but crap like ever where else in the staring lineup and bench you are still far from a championship team. You make a good point about the money and how ever one is getting paid so much but still I think you are better off trying to have 2 stars and deapth than like 2 stars and no deapth. Also what do you think would be better 3 stars and no deapth or 2 stars and a really good bench?


I agree that not all of them may pain out but BI is already a pretty good rule player and I am pretty sure that Kuz will be a all star. I wouldn't mind giving up some young guys like Heart, Ball, Zubac and some draft picks but I think if you give up both Kuz, Ball and BI and 1st round pick that is just to much. I would give Kuzor BI but not both must be one of them and I would rather it be BI.

[ojandpizza]

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But the issue is if you get AD but lose Kuz, BI, Ball, Zubac you are going to have 2 great players with nothing around them. If lakers get AD but like lose all the young guys I dont think they are that much better than they are right now with out making like a lot of other moves to. If you have James, AD and Kuz I think that could be a big 3 I known its not a for sure thing because we dont known how good Kuz will be but I think he is going to be pretty darn good and I am tired of giving up young guys all the time and doing it to soon. Randal is playing like very close to a all star level right now and so is Russell and on nets and I dont really want to see the lakers losing another young guy who ends up playing at an all star level who they gave up to early on again. Thing is again if you have AD, James and like nothing I dont think they are really that much better than they are right now. Yes they want to win a chip but if they just have AD and James and little else they are still going to be far from a championship type of team. Also when I say some one good I mean maybe some one who is not a max player yet but may be later and who is pretty good. Think of a player who is really good but kind of underpaid at the moment. I think some people under estimate how important it is to have deapth. If you have AD and James but crap like ever where else in the staring lineup and bench you are still far from a championship team. You make a good point about the money and how ever one is getting paid so much but still I think you are better off trying to have 2 stars and deapth than like 2 stars and no deapth. Also what do you think would be better 3 stars and no deapth or 2 stars and a really good bench?





I agree that not all of them may pain out but BI is already a pretty good rule player and I am pretty sure that Kuz will be a all star. I wouldn't mind giving up some young guys like Heart, Ball, Zubac and some draft picks but I think if you give up both Kuz, Ball and BI and 1st round pick that is just to much. I would give Kuzor BI but not both must be one of them and I would rather it be BI.

1.) they wouldn’t give up both BI and Kuz if Lonzo was in the trade. Plus it’s not enough money.

2.) even if they made that trade they would literally have LeBron, Davis, and the other 3 starters (Rondo, KCP, McGee) would be the same 3 starters they had to start the season this year anyways.

3.) they would also still have Lance, Beas, Svi, Tyson, Hart - which for a comparisons sake is at worst an equal bench to what Portland, Houston, San Antonio, Clippers, Kings have.. all in the playoff picture.

4.) That wouldn’t be the only move they make, they would be strong players in the buyout market, possibly even add Melo.

5.) They would have the cap space to add someone next year, they would have Davis’s bird rights, they wouldn’t owe 20 mil to a bunch of developing guys that still haven’t reached their potential 3 years from now by the time LeBron is 36 years old with no money left to bring in anyone else.



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[ojandpizza]

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My guess is that Boston's works something out by taking on Solomon Hill and sending either Horford or Hayward (possibly to a third team). That's something the Lakers or the Knicks would not do because they're trying to build their Big 3's through free agency and taking on Hill's contract would prevent them from doing that.

Would be relatively easy for either of them to move that Hill contract to a bottom feeder for a future first/decent young piece. It will be an expiring with trade value next season. Knicks, Lakers, whoever else is even in play could easily flip that into a 3 team trade.


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[ojandpizza]

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[Smallville102001]

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Ok he is going to be traded very soon. I was still wondering if they would wait un till the offseason over even some time next season to trade him with like the Celtics situation and such but yeah with this he is gone.

[Smallville102001]

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Has there been any news about Randal being traded after that news brook a few days ago. May not be AD big but it would still be a good player for any team to pick up if they can.

[cima]

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Woj says Pels have zero interest in trading Davis to the Lakers right now.

*shrug* it was a long-shot anyway but I don't think I'm interested in this young core being gutted right now. GSW looks unbeatable with Cousins right now anyway.

I say run it with this core right now and run it back next year with LeBron and Kyrie reunited. And yeah I know Kyrie said or indicated he's gonna re-sign with Boston, but we should all know by now not to trust anything anyone says anymore until they actually ink it.

[areobee401]

2018-19 Transaction Thread

I suspect the AD will only re-sign with LA talk to really ramp up now that NO has indicated they have no interest in what LA had to offer in a trade.

[23]

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Lakers gearing up for that 2020 AD acquisition

https://twitter.com/SLAMonline/status/1090788952674512896

By then Bronny James will be close to joining the NBA

[ojandpizza]

2018-19 Transaction Thread

Maybe I’m just gullible to the reports which are typically “fake news” anyways, but to me it just feels like if the Pelicans felt the need to come out and complain about tampering, Lonzo’s camp felt the need to come out and say that he preferred to go to a 3rd team, Pelicans announcing that everyone is for sale, that a deal between the Pelicans/Lakers before the deadline seems pretty realistic.

At least at one point, they’ve had a few days to rethink now obviously. But I do feel like it comes down to Davis. I think if he told them he wants out by the deadline, wants to be in LAL, doesn’t want to get booed by the fans the rest of this season, I think they would move him to the Lakers now. Management always tries to do best by players that have earned it.... I’m just not sold on that until anything comes from Davis himself, because we still haven’t heard a word from him.

If I’m the Pelicans, I wait it out. But I’m also just an arm chair GM who doesn’t have to deal with actual player/fan relationships lol.

Serious question though, would everyone rule out him going back home completely? Bulls are a mess, and he likely wants to win now, but they could have a decent start over new with Davis, a good draft pick, keeping carter.. if NO got LaVine and Lauri that would be a better haul than anything anyone else is offering IMO. But I’m also really high on Lauri. But that could land Davis home in Chicago with Carter and drafting someone like Barrett or Morant maybe.. that would be an instant threat in the East with a couple decent wing men. Especially if they kept Dunn.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Maybe I’m just gullible to the reports which are typically “fake news” anyways, but to me it just feels like if the Pelicans felt the need to come out and complain about tampering, Lonzo’s camp felt the need to come out and say that he preferred to go to a 3rd team, Pelicans announcing that everyone is for sale, that a deal between the Pelicans/Lakers before the deadline seems pretty realistic.

At least at one point, they’ve had a few days to rethink now obviously. But I do feel like it comes down to Davis. I think if he told them he wants out by the deadline, wants to be in LAL, doesn’t want to get booed by the fans the rest of this season, I think they would move him to the Lakers now. Management always tries to do best by players that have earned it.... I’m just not sold on that until anything comes from Davis himself, because we still haven’t heard a word from him.

If I’m the Pelicans, I wait it out. But I’m also just an arm chair GM who doesn’t have to deal with actual player/fan relationships lol.

Serious question though, would everyone rule out him going back home completely? Bulls are a mess, and he likely wants to win now, but they could have a decent start over new with Davis, a good draft pick, keeping carter.. if NO got LaVine and Lauri that would be a better haul than anything anyone else is offering IMO. But I’m also really high on Lauri. But that could land Davis home in Chicago with Carter and drafting someone like Barrett or Morant maybe.. that would be an instant threat in the East with a couple decent wing men. Especially if they kept Dunn.


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If you're to believe Pighorst's reporting, Davis has absolutely no interest in playing here because he doesn't want to play at home. But if he was keen on being here there's absolutely no chance that draft pick doesn't head to NO and I see no way that the Bulls ship Lauri off in a deal for him. The Bulls would have to do something like Carter + Dunn or Lavine + Hutchison or Valentine + Parker + 2019 First Rounder.

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I think whatever it is, even if a team wanted to clear out cap space eventually, he's going to get traded to anywhere but LA.

Won't be able to go there until his deal is up, which Bron will be like 36 by then... So the Lakers need to look elsewhere for now.

Also, the report about Pop giving Demps advice about not bending to AD.. true or not doesn't seem far fetched.

Chicago has to be one of the worst franchises in the league right now no matter who goes there for obvious reasons.