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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #901
    Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

    Originally posted by ehh
    How the fans/media treat him vs how the franchise treats him are very different things. The Knicks never built him up like that. Hell, it's funny in hindsight but Phil was calling him a diva and didn't like his behavior from the jump but everyone thought it was Phil being a crazy old man.



    Unless you are LeBron--literally he's it--you don't get to have your agent make personnel demands to your front office. Especially when you're a 23 year old who hasn't accomplished anything.
    It’s the perception though and we both know that matters MORE now.

    I mean your own HC flew overseas to go see him because KP was in his feelings about how the season ended and the mess with Phil. And in KP’s mind, best believe he’s thinking “Man, I got this dude flying all the ****ing Latvia just to come see me and have a convo that we could’ve easily had later back in NY.

    And I get it from Fizdale’s POV because you want to try and establish that relationship and to convince him that “Hey, we’re going to be different than the last people you dealt with so just give us a chance and let us earn back your trust”. But let’s be real, we both know that he’s not flying to France to have that same convo with Ntilikina though, lol.

    And to your last point, don’t you think that’s something that should’ve been nipped in the butt SOONER, especially if you had an inkling that he might be an issue later on down the road? If Magic can keep Lonzo’s loud *** Pops under control, you mean to tell me y’all can’t do the same with this guy’s brother? Fizdale and Mills don’t got enough pull to tell him to STFU?

    Y’all had a “Franchise cornerstone”, which y’all have been BEGGING for a long time, under team control(read: cheap because of where he was drafted)who actually showed signs that he could be a dominant player or at the very least, a top 5 player at his position. And y’all wanna be mad/turn on him all of a sudden because he supposedly “thought” he was Lebron?

    And I get it because team/cloth loyalty > player loyalty, but all that side....can we honestly sit here and say that he didn’t have reasons to wanna leave NY? Y’all say it everyday and crack jokes about your team, about Dolan and how y’all have been a joke for 40 years and nobody will ever come here unless we overpay...yet when somebody of significance actually leaves, it’s because he “thought” he was Lebron so **** him, now?
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    • rdnk
      All Star
      • Feb 2009
      • 5730

      #902
      Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

      It'll be interesting when/if the Knicks whiff on the big guns in FA, if they'll settle for lesser free agents or if they'll sign a bunch of 1 year deals and take their cap space to 2020.
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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #903
        Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
        Of course you can. This dude who was exalted via ****ing internet memes thinks he should have say so over the franchise. His brothers have been trying to hold him over the team like he's prime Dirk since he got here. OBJ has had a historic start to his career. Porzingis has started every year strong for 2 months and then fallen off the rest of the year. He hasn't even accomplished the little bit that OBJ has done. You're trying to hold up the franchise on potential? This isn't AD.
        If his brothers got y’all THAT shook, doesn’t that say more about y’all than it does him? “Oh man, his brothers are here making crazy demands, what are we gonna do?” Let’s keep it 100, we both know how silly that looks and sounds, right or wrong?

        And when I mentioned OBJ, I meant from how he was placed on a high pedestal early on, not that they had similar career trajectories.
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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28959

          #904
          Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
          If his brothers got y’all THAT shook, doesn’t that say more about y’all than it does him? “Oh man, his brothers are here making crazy demands, what are we gonna do?” Let’s keep it 100, we both know how silly that looks and sounds, right or wrong?
          No, because it finally came to a head. The Knicks ignored it for three and a half years. KP finally had leverage. They walk in today and say "I don't want to be here and I'm signing the QO so I can be a UFA next summer", then the **** is real.
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          • dubcity
            Hall Of Fame
            • May 2012
            • 17872

            #905
            Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

            If you have a spoiled child, do you blame the child or the parent?

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            • Mr B
              Pro
              • Jan 2016
              • 866

              #906
              Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

              Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
              I'm guessing the Mavs want to see how Porzingis plays before offering him a max rookie extension.


              Yea I really don’t see how him taking the qualifying offer is bad for the Mavs. I think Knicks fans are just being salty that their best player was traded for a guy they could have drafted last year.

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              • Mr B
                Pro
                • Jan 2016
                • 866

                #907
                Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                Actually if you think about it..the Knicks have been the ones consistently giving up draft picks for either injured players or players who never lived up to their reputations in the past.



                3 1st rounders to the Bulls for Eddy Curry. Sprewell traded for Keith Van Horn. Antonio McDyess..the list goes on and on.



                KP is only 23 and he probably will heal from this ACL as other players have done. But at 7'3..for how long? Luka, KP and no cap space in the West? Good luck with that.



                At this point everything depends on what happens during the draft lottery. If it's not the #1 pick then this is 2010 Part II. If it's Zion (knowing us it won't be), then those 2 max slots will have some value.



                KP's brother and Mark Cuban is a match made in hell. They'll dangle that qualifying offer over Cuban's head for as long as they can.


                Mavs will have over $50 mil in cap space in 2020.

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                • Mr B
                  Pro
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 866

                  #908
                  Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                  Originally posted by areobee401
                  The whole DeAndre & Dallas saga was something else.

                  Agreed to sign with Dallas back in 2015 to instead re-sign with his old team after being held captive. Then fate would finally bring the two sides together last summer. Now a few short months later he is traded to New York.

                  And here I thought some of my past courtships/relationships were messy.


                  The crazy thing is that if he’s not held hostage and signs with the Mavs instead of going back to LA the Mavs are likely not in a position to draft DSJ or Luka.

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                  • NYJets
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 18637

                    #909
                    Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                    Originally posted by Mr B
                    Yea I really don’t see how him taking the qualifying offer is bad for the Mavs. I think Knicks fans are just being salty that their best player was traded for a guy they could have drafted last year.
                    You really don't see how Porzingis taking a one year deal for basically no money by nba standards instead of a max contract so that he can become an unrestricted free agent sooner would be bad? That's almost like saying I don't see how Anthony Davis turning down the super max is bad for the Pelicans.

                    And I don't think many knicks fans are thrilled today, but Dennis Smith Jr. is the least important part of this trade
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                    • Mr B
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2016
                      • 866

                      #910
                      Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                      Originally posted by NYJets
                      You really don't see how Porzingis taking a one year deal for basically no money by nba standards instead of a max contract so that he can become an unrestricted free agent sooner would be bad? That's almost like saying I don't see how Anthony Davis turning down the super max is bad for the Pelicans.



                      And I don't think many knicks fans are thrilled today, but Dennis Smith Jr. is the least important part of this trade


                      No, I don’t see it as a bad thing at all. They get a year and a half to see how his health is. They also get a year in a half to show him how great it is play with Luka. Then in 2020 when the Mavs have over $50 mil in cap space they can max him out and bring in another max player. Remember, the Mavs have one of the most stable front offices in the NBA. This front office has a track record of pulling off successful trades to bring in players to put around their star(s). They are basically the anti-Knicks. The Knicks seem to change their direction every couple of years and have been horrible at bringing in the right players. KP is going to think he’s in heaven once he gets to Dallas.

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                      • Gilley
                        Pro
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 634

                        #911
                        Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                        This is probably just me being a bitter Knicks fan, but I don't know if Porzingis and his brothers realize that a huge part of KP being such a big name and being is popular was because of the team and market he played in. I just don't see him having as much star power and attention in Dallas. Especially with Luka being around who is in all likelihood going to be "the guy" on that team. You don't get the same attention and marketing in Dallas that you do in NYC. I could be completely wrong though.
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                        • Master Live 013
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 12327

                          #912
                          Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                          This is an Aroldis Chapman play. He nets us these assets, signs the QO offer and then signs back as a FA. Calling it. Agent PorzinGod.

                          He is basically the Anti-Melo.
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                          • DieHardYankee26
                            BING BONG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10178

                            #913
                            Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            Y’all had a “Franchise cornerstone”, which y’all have been BEGGING for a long time, under team control(read: cheap because of where he was drafted)who actually showed signs that he could be a dominant player or at the very least, a top 5 player at his position. And y’all wanna be mad/turn on him all of a sudden because he supposedly “thought” he was Lebron?

                            And I get it because team/cloth loyalty > player loyalty, but all that side....can we honestly sit here and say that he didn’t have reasons to wanna leave NY? Y’all say it everyday and crack jokes about your team, about Dolan and how y’all have been a joke for 40 years and nobody will ever come here unless we overpay...yet when somebody of significance actually leaves, it’s because he “thought” he was Lebron so **** him, now?
                            This is his 4th season in the NBA and he hasn't played a game in it. Our first real opportunity to build around him was this summer, pending our pick and free agency. Melo was his criticism shield for a while, so KP wasn't getting ripped in the media. It's been a drama free season, the lottery odds are ****ed, and we waited a year too long to tank, but this would've made more sense this time next year if everything went poorly over the summer like NYJets said.

                            The flip side of the "team loyalty > player loyalty" argument is that he was only ever Porzingod because of team loyalty. He wasn't here long enough nor did he do enough to earn any of his own. This is not KG, it's not even Kawhi. This dude made less national TV appearances as a Knick than the crying fan from the draft.
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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #914
                              Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                              How come this Zingis brother news wasnt a big deal until now?

                              As much as the media looks for talking points, they were busy trying to bury kawhi or getting KD to leave GS, but not anything about the Porzingis brothers pulling a Lavar.

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                              • Gilley
                                Pro
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 634

                                #915
                                Re: 2018-19 Transaction Thread

                                Originally posted by 23
                                How come this Zingis brother news wasnt a big deal until now?

                                As much as the media looks for talking points, they were busy trying to bury kawhi or getting KD to leave GS, but not anything about the Porzingis brothers pulling a Lavar.
                                It was definitely talked about amongst knicks fans but a major issue was most of the bull**** that Janis would spew was always in Latvian so it would get roughly translated and everyone brushed it off.
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