2018-19 Transaction Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If he signs the QO and leaves, it's automatically a win for us just for getting the picks. They really have half a year, because if he takes the QO and hits the market unrestricted with the Mavs only able to give him like 5% extra, that's not a good look for them. If the Mavs end up in cap hell, we win. The way we lose is if he ends up a superstar that can carry a franchise because the way we're going right now and what we would've had to pay him, he would've had to be that guy.

It depends how it plays out but knowing Cuban, I can easily see him being like “Yeah, our cap situation sucks but we can still make a push for the playoffs” and then those picks ending up in like the 10-14 range because he had too much pride to tank.

At this point, they should be under the assumption that he’ll sign the QO(knowing them, I’m sure they’re prepared for that)so they can’t do anything about that. But they still shouldn’t change their approach to convincing him to remain there, that’s why I don’t think it’s that dire for them right now.

They have a lot of good things there that would make him want to stay. If there’s one thing people can’t say about Cuban, it’s that he’s not committed to putting a winner on the floor and we’ve seen that over time.

But even if he ends up a superstar there and y’all get KD or Kyrie or Kawhi, then the move was worth it. But again, it just depends on what their plan is going forward.

[ojandpizza]

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Well, the Pelicans already turned down our best offer which included KP. Keep dreaming, AD.

It'll take this years first.

I would guess something along the lines of Robinson (maybe Knox too) and this years first along with the expiring deals of Kanter, Mario, Mudiay in agreement to take back the Hill contract with Davis..

Only problem is added Hill hurts the cap at least for another year to pair Davis with players to build a winning team, and adding Davis this year makes the pick worse as they will win more games.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Kyrie didn't do much to squash the rumors but I think I don't owe anybody *** was mainly from he's upset at Rich Paul for using him in leverage in the media from the obvious leaks. I don't think there's much cause for concern but we'll see.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think the FO felt the above was not the case. If they strike out this summer--and this is easier said than done--Perry said they're not going to throw out stupid contracts and will continue to build for the future. If they avoid the Noah, Hardaway, and Lee type of contracts they've given out the last few years then we're still in good shape.



If they miss on all big FAs (which they will) and don't be stupid when it comes to signing second tier guys, they'll be the worst team in the NBA by a mile next year. Just keep tanking, keep getting high-end lottery picks, and keep your cap flexibility. The Knicks are fully in on The Process right now.



The cupboard isn't bare. Knox, Mitch, Frank, Trier, DS Jr, and six 1sts in the next four years. I'm not in love with all the assets but it's not like this is 2010 again. It's risky but they can have their cake and eat it too.

Agreed.

Shoot if we can do it without own draft picks, then it should be more easier and less time consuming for y’all to pull it off considering y’all have somewhat of a foundation to build off of.

[ojandpizza]

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25889174/the-other-side-anthony-davis-trade-drama-nba

Pretty good read on the Pelicans situation and how they have basically moved on for life without him already.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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See I don't think landing Tobias Harris and Khris Middleton would even be a loss here. Ideally they want to reach for bigger, but that's two guys playing at an all-star level for one guy playing at an all-star level before an ACL injury. They keep their pick, and add other picks. They keep Knox who since getting himself healthy and getting bigger minutes has played at an all-rookie team level fro them, keep Trier, keep Robinson. That's a pretty good group to start fresh with and win games while they develop.



Kemba and Middleton would be a great duo for them, especially if the draft landed them Zion. Kemba, Middleton, Knox, Zion, Robinson.

I didn’t say it would be a loss.

But you don’t make this move just get them, when they’re not max contract players. If another team wants to throw a max at them and expect them to elevate them to contender status then go ahead, but I don’t think anyone here would say “Yeah, Tobias Harris and Kris Middleton are definitely worth Max Contracts”.

Guys like that make more sense for teams that are on the cusp and the Knicks aren’t one of them.

[DieHardYankee26]

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But even if he ends up a superstar there and y’all get KD or Kyrie or Kawhi, then the move was worth it. But again, it just depends on what their plan is going forward.

100%, we're in a situation where we are being asked to have faith in the Knicks front office...it's terrifying.

Keeping this on deck:

[cima]

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If Kyrie leaves Boston, I think karma is the only appropriate word.

[illwill10]

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Even if they get Kryie and KD, I don't think that propels them to East Contender. DSJ wouldn't fit alongside Kyrie. So they would hope to flip him for a decent player in return.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ainge is not a fan of in season public trade requests. Per 98.5 The Sports Hub

I’m not a big fan of that.

I wish those things didn’t happen. It’s not what the league is about. It’s not what I would do in that same situation. But it is what some people do.

Just because you’re a star player doesn’t mean that you’re surrounded by the right people that can put you in a position to win. I understand where players are coming from. It’s a short career. And often times, with 30 teams in the NBA nowadays – I think when, I came into the league, there was 23. And back when the Celtics won lots of championships, there were eight. It’s a different world now. And so the stars are more spread out.

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[ojandpizza]

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[emoji102][emoji2937] Knicks, eh?

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Shams reporting a trade to Boston would be a rental.. Ainge isn't stupid enough to trade Tatum, and maybe even all those picks, to even risk a shot at him not staying. Especially if Kyrie is not long a sure thing as far as resigning.

I don't think Dell wants to trade him to the Lakers, and I don't think he will either after reading these reports.. But I think he's missing what would likely be his biggest trade return for Davis simply because he doesn't want to be the "small market" guy who caves. Lakers rumored offer, if true, was an over-payment even for a player like Davis, and this Porzingis trade just possibly drove Davis's market value down a bit more.

If I'm the Lakers, I'm not even sure that same offer is still on the table from me. Not with Jordan, Wes, Ariza being guys rumored in buyout talks... One of the Lakers trade rumors previous to this was moving a couple guys for a reliable shooter on an expiring.. If they do something along those lines with a shot at adding Jordan and/or Ariza they will make playoff noise this year with the option of adding a max player this off-season.

If that offer is still available and Dell doesn't cave, they are going to lose this Davis trade come July.

[ehh]

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It'll take this years first.

I would guess something along the lines of Robinson (maybe Knox too) and this years first along with the expiring deals of Kanter, Mario, Mudiay in agreement to take back the Hill contract with Davis..

Only problem is added Hill hurts the cap at least for another year to pair Davis with players to build a winning team, and adding Davis this year makes the pick worse as they will win more games.

I wonder if that'd really interest the Pelicans. I would assume it wouldn't. Too big of a risk for NO pre-lottery and I don't think the Knicks could make the salaries work on draft night but that's a salary complication I don't fully understand. I assume expiring UFAs are off the books by draft night even though the NBA calendar year doesn't officially end until June 30.

Even if they get Kryie and KD, I don't think that propels them to East Contender. DSJ wouldn't fit alongside Kyrie. So they would hope to flip him for a decent player in return.

Any team with DS Jr as a starter has a low ceiling. He'd be the backup PG or he'd be moved.

[areobee401]

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If Kyrie leaves Boston, I think karma is the only appropriate word.

Care to explain?

[ojandpizza]

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I wonder if that'd really interest the Pelicans. I would assume it wouldn't. Too big of a risk for NO pre-lottery and I don't think the Knicks could make the salaries work on draft night but that's a salary complication I don't fully understand. I assume expiring UFAs are off the books by draft night even though the NBA calendar year doesn't officially end until June 30.



Any team with DS Jr as a starter has a low ceiling. He'd be the backup PG or he'd be moved.

Yeah in the Boston scenario all reports suggest that for Rozier to be a trade chip he would have to be a sign and trade... Meaning that by the time the Pelicans would have to wait and see what kind of pick the Knicks had those expiring deals would no longer be expiring deals.

[georgiafan]

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If I'm the Lakers I am taking the mega offer for all 3 main guys off the table at least for a few days. If Boston is off the table and the Knicks cant offer as good of package as they could 2 days ago.