2019 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

[Master Live 013]

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This Rockets Game 7 report is like when something that actually shouldn't happen happens in wrestling. It is like, complaining and the like is ok and drives interest and Silver might be ok with it, but a study conducting a study about your own league/refs and that leaking out? That's a

Who leaked this? It is one thing for Phil Jackson to do his "Zen Master" bs of working the refs and the like but a report? Claiming that "Referees likely changed the eventual NBA champion"? That's embarrassing the league and questioning the legitimacy of the results.

But hey, I guess it adds to the drama.

[Smallville102001]

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IMO, every team complains way too much.


It's going to look like one does it more when you favor the other side.



I don't really care about it much because the NBA was supposed to crack down on that a few years ago with automatic techs. Then it went away. So obviously the league wants players to complain or they know it's really not that serious and guys need to let their emotions out so long as it's not excessive or inappropriate.


Iguodala looking like Rick James "Come Here" is routine at this point. Same with Chris Paul scowling and side eyeing the ref.

I agree ever one complains to much but there would also be a lot less complaining if the refs didn't such in the first place. I love the nba but they have by far the worst refs of the 4 main sports.

[ojandpizza]

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Wish it had been someone else so the discussion could be on whether the calls were wrong or not and the free throws deserved instead of people saying "Harden gets enough foul calls, why isn't he satisfied?"

I'm kinda in this camp as well. I've been very vocal on how much I often despise the way Harden plays the game, but that doesn't mean I'm on board with refs not calling something that should be called. The player/situation shouldn't matter. Whether or not Houston/Harden can be considered "cheap" for the way they play the game shouldn't matter.

[VDusen04]

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Per ProBasketballTalk

This entire situation has become ridiculous. I swear it almost feels as though Houston is attempting to wage a form of politico-athletic warfare. They're not trying to right NBA wrongs, they're just aiming for a way to gain any advantage possible, even if (and especially if) it leads to the officials overcompensating and handing Houston an unfair advantage the other way.

Sidenote, a portion of the report I found particularly humorous:

This methodology also leads to some uncomfortable results. In one example, James Harden got away with a possible infraction, an uncalled shooting foul on Kevon Looney. Without a whistle, the Warriors got an offensive rebound, and Kevin Durant made a 3-pointer. The Rockets said a correct call would have produced an expected value of one Golden State point (based on Looney’s free-throw percentage and two attempts). But because the Warriors instead scored three points on the possession, Houston claimed the missed call gave Golden State two extra points.

In other words, the Rockets claimed they were harmed by getting away with a foul!

I 1000000% admit that I am very fatigued by 47 percent of every game thread being inundated with people commenting on calls officials got incorrect. But quite honestly, compared to just about every other single level of basketball I've seen officiated (including previous eras of NBA basketball), present day league officials are probably about as best as I've seen.

The nature of the sport just happens to lend itself to bang-bang plays that are going to be judged incorrectly at some point or another. Every single possession is a series of calls or non-calls constantly being made or not made. Officials are making decisions non-stop over the course of the game and they get most of them right. Unfortunately, most folks only see the ones that go wrong.

[cima]

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That Rockets Game 7 report is ****ing hilarious. The refs cost them how many points? Lmao.

This is just some weird nerd **** trying to cover up the fact they couldn't look themselves in the mirror for the loss.

I can send a much simplified Game 7 report to them: "The Houston Rockets cost themselves at least 81 points by missing 27 3's in a row". /report

[The 24th Letter]

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Morey should have never let that report get out man, that's straight up embarrassing [emoji38]

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Morey should have never let that report get out man, that's straight up embarrassing [emoji38]

You know he had it planned.

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[King_B_Mack]

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Just want to point out for the record I wasn’t saying that Harden and the Rockets shouldn’t get any calls because of the crap they get away with all year, I was simply saying that it’s laughable and pathetic how much of an issue they’re making here with a guy that routinely shoots 20-25 free throw attempts in games based on bs officiating. Since they care about the rules so much, I wanna see them keep that same energy the next time Harden and Paul are flopping and flailing and triple stepbacking all over the court.

That report is pathetic and whether they have a legit gripe or not they shouldn’t be whining this hard and loudly about it. Save that mess for the fans and those of us on the message boards and all that to do. It’s like that Chris Rock joke. Fat people can talk **** about skinny people all day no big deal, but skinny people can’t talk **** about fat people, that’s just mean. Poor people can talk **** about rich people all day no big deal, but rich people can’t talk **** about poor people, that’s just mean. That’s just how it is and being the NBA team of professionals here, they just gotta play ball and shut up and let the fans incessantly bitch about the refs.


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[JazzMan]

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Nobody cared how Harden was being officiated when they played the Jazz [emoji2371]

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[The 24th Letter]

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You know he had it planned.

Analytics geek trying to use a spreadsheet to run the playoffs [emoji38]

I imagine him leaking this like it was the perfect "drop the mic" opportunity or something...but he just comes out looking silly...ain't nobody tryna hear all that...

Nobody cared how Harden was being officiated when they played the Jazz [emoji2371]

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Whats funny is O'Neale, Gobert and Mitchell were on Twitter last night with a funny exchange wondering why the refs didnt swallow the whistle for them too, lol

Time to just play ball though, man..

[lilteapot]

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Cant wait to hear Chucks take on the Rockets and their analytics lol

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Nobody cared how Harden was being officiated when they played the Jazz [emoji2371]

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The Jazz were playing gimmick defense letting him drive to the hole like matadors

[JazzMan]

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The Jazz were playing gimmick defense letting him drive to the hole like matadors

Funny thing is it actually was effective, Jazz offense was just terrible all series

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Effective is subjective, but the point is they were not confronting Harden straight up like the Warriors were trying.

There was no reason to compare the two because they're playing him totally different.

[RedSceptile]

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Denver and Portland should be a fun series. With no Nurkic in theory Denver should have the edge in the frontcourt, but Portland has the superior backcourt. I give a slight edge to Denver this series but Portland winning wouldn't surprise me. If we don't want against Golden State I'd be pretty content with either Portland or Denver making it out West and either team winning it all.