2019 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

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1 game and these fools are going nuclear over getting more free throws.

...and this isn't even the conference finals.


Daryl Morey is a douchebag

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think this is understood that it will happen every year.

I’m not sure it is.

But maybe my expectations are screwed up because I keep thinking that we all know this is going to happen yet we keep complaining about the issue every year knowing that it’s not going to get better, no matter how much we bitch and moan about it.

Playoff officiating is always bad and will never improve to the point where it’s as consistent as it is during the season(and even then it’s still up and down)so I’ve just learned how to tune it out and gave up fighting that battle and complaining about it every year and I assume other folks will do the same, which is probably naive on my part.

[The 24th Letter]

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I think you can fully understand that officiating is inconsistent and still comment on particular calls that impact the game....that will forever be apart of sports talk...

I'm over contest-gate already though...Hopefully they give us a little bit more actual basketball to talk about Game 2 because otherwise, Game 1 was pretty ugly.

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I’m not sure it is.

But maybe my expectations are screwed up because I keep thinking that we all know this is going to happen yet we keep complaining about the issue every year knowing that it’s not going to get better, no matter how much we bitch and moan about it.

Playoff officiating is always bad and will never improve to the point where it’s as consistent as it is during the season(and even then it’s still up and down)so I’ve just learned how to tune it out and gave up fighting that battle and complaining about it every year and I assume other folks will do the same, which is probably naive on my part.

You just arrived at acceptance faster

But right now there isn't another team in the league that rely on officiating as apart of their gameplan.





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[49UNCFan]

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I guess this series Warriors vs Rockets will be decided on who gets the most calls.

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I guess this series Warriors vs Rockets will be decided on who gets the most calls.

Nah the Rockets outnumber the Warriors in getting fouled..... That's a fact.

It shouldn't even be apart of the equation though

Is it hard to just play basketball?

Why all the zero step and landing zone talk when it comes to one team only?

Cheating the system ain't cool.

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[The 24th Letter]

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Every team/fanbase thinks they're getting sold short on particular things, they just pick and choose when to speak on it.

If I took a shot everytime I heard the equivalent of "If that was Draymond it would have been a tech" last year I would have spent July in a coma
...

[CMH]

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I thought this article was gonna be 100% BS, but this excerpt is actually really interesting. Didn’t know this report even existed until now.

Sources: Rockets’ Game 1 ref rage rooted in extensive Warriors research https://theathletic.com/952359/2019/...iors-research/




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Yeah but this excludes how differently the game would have been played if the refs were calling certain things fouls early on.


The Rockets can't simply look at data from a single game and say, "look, we didn't get 18 potential points."


It ignores variables like players in foul trouble, how the defense changes, how the Warriors change their intensity, whether that impacts fatigue, etc.



It's not that simple.


Personally, I would never take a team's internal investigation as proof that something is amiss. The Rockets were never going to show you data that didn't support their claims. Why don't they show us data from the regular season or talk about that?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Yeah but this excludes how differently the game would have been played if the refs were calling certain things fouls early on.


The Rockets can't simply look at data from a single game and say, "look, we didn't get 18 potential points."


It ignores variables like players in foul trouble, how the defense changes, how the Warriors change their intensity, whether that impacts fatigue, etc.



It's not that simple.


Personally, I would never take a team's internal investigation as proof that something is amiss. The Rockets were never going to show you data that didn't support their claims. Why don't they show us data from the regular season or talk about that?

Agreed with all of that, though this is apparently based on the league’s reports rather than the Rockets opinions. The only part that the Rockets would be doing on their own with this is converting how many free throws each team should have had to how many points they could have expected. Nearly 100 points is still a pretty staggering amount if their point projections are anywhere near accurate though. Definitely agree re: players adjusting if the fouls were properly called but that obviously goes both ways.


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[Master Live 013]

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So the NBA is flushed with money, in MLB, during the postseason, they add two umpire to regular crew of 4. Why doesn't the NBA do that? Would it make no difference? Would it disrupt the "flow" of the referees and what they are accustomed to do on game-by-game basis like positioning, etc.? Is it helpless? There is nothing to do about it?

Silver is the smartest, most proactive of the 4 major sports commissioners, is he satisfied with this? Any publicity is good publicity type of deal?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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It’s funny how all we heard from the team all year long was “If we had a healthy Chris Paul, we would’ve beaten the Warriors! And we proven that by winning the season series this year”. But now that they’ve dropped 1 game, it’s “Well we’ve done some research that shows that we have been robbed of 100 potential points because of the officiating so....”

God forbid they lose Game 2, I can’t imagine what will be said next

[areobee401]

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So the NBA is flushed with money, in MLB, during the postseason, they add two umpire to regular crew of 4. Why doesn't the NBA do that? Would it make no difference? Would it disrupt the "flow" of the referees and what they are accustomed to do on game-by-game basis like positioning, etc.? Is it helpless? There is nothing to do about it?

Silver is the smartest, most proactive of the 4 major sports commissioners, is he satisfied with this? Any publicity is good publicity type of deal?

I'm not so sure adding an official or two would help "correct" things. Would have to think about it more, but my quick reaction to the idea is it would create more debate over calls after the fact. The nature of basketball is so different compared to baseball where everything is so cut and dry. Besides balls and strikes, is there really any other call that is left up to a single umpire's interpretation?

To answer your last part. Yeah, the league loves the publicity stuff like this creates between games. Like it or not, it's part of what makes the sport so popular among the general fans. Same thing with all the off-court drama that drives the NBA news cycle.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Silver is no different than Goodell to me. Sure, as far as dealing with the off the field issues, Goodell still struggles with that but as far as bring more revenue to its sport, he does a good job with that, just like Silver.

Probably why I never understood all the constant praising about Silver as if he’s anything special, when he’s just another suit in charge of a Sports league that can easily make money with anyone sitting in that chair.

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It’s funny how all we heard from the team all year long was “If we had a healthy Chris Paul, we would’ve beaten the Warriors! And we proven that by winning the season series this year”. But now that they’ve dropped 1 game, it’s “Well we’ve done some research that shows that we have been robbed of 100 potential points because of the officiating so....”

God forbid they lose Game 2, I can’t imagine what will be said next

Exactly

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Yeah but this excludes how differently the game would have been played if the refs were calling certain things fouls early on.


The Rockets can't simply look at data from a single game and say, "look, we didn't get 18 potential points."


It ignores variables like players in foul trouble, how the defense changes, how the Warriors change their intensity, whether that impacts fatigue, etc.



It's not that simple.


Personally, I would never take a team's internal investigation as proof that something is amiss. The Rockets were never going to show you data that didn't support their claims. Why don't they show us data from the regular season or talk about that?

There was an external one done under David Stern's watch by an ivy league college but they just ignored it.

That said Harden averages more free throws alone than most of the greatest players ever.


That's still not enough.









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