2020 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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I'm worried about what Matthews has left defensively.

Slightly worried what Danny has left also. Both Wes and Danny were perfect this past season as far as team defense goes, but the 15mil vs 2mil does show that Green might have been significantly overpaid. A few years back with San Antonio he was capable of being stuck on the other teams best perimeter player, I feel like those days are gone. It was harder to tell with Toronto, he still looked like he had it but they always had Siakam on the best player, if not him Kawhi, and Lowry was on the quick guards, so even though Danny still looked like Danny he was really guarding a lot of nobodies and the Lakes paid him to guard the Kawhi’s of the league. KCP seemed a bit better suited for that than Danny this year, AB and Rondo a bit better on the quick guards, and even Kuzma (surprisingly) I thought was just as valuable when they stuck him on Kawhi, Westbrook, etc in those spot matchups.

Either way Danny has tons of defensive value in terms of their team defense. A lot like Battier on those Miami teams. They would have been hurting without him. But if Wes is even close to that, while hitting more shots, and only 2-4mil, I think he’s probably the best case scenario for them.

Still though, nobody better at those quick swipe downs when a player is going up for a layup than Danny Green. Will definitely miss seeing that every night if he does get stuck on OKC. Not only would I likely not watch them as much as contenders, but they are also a blackout location for me.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Would probably work if y’all would trade Kyrie to BK in that Jrue Holiday trade. But Kyrie and Harden sounds awful lol


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Kyrie or LeVert?

I’m not sacrificing either of those 2 in any trade.

[jfsolo]

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That 15 mil for this upcoming season was just too much to not try and move on from. Even having lost a step, Green could still produce a big time defensive play at key moments in the game. Caruso is developing that same ability, but he's a little light in the saddle to be guarding SFs all the time. Got to find a guy who has the mental acuity to fit in with the squad in terms of what we want to do on defense.

[jfsolo]

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Is there any possible way that Harden, KD and Kyrie doesn't goes go off the rails?

[georgiafan]

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While the nets have the assets to get him I think it would require a bunch of 1st round picks. The players they can send are all good, but none of them are projected to be all stars. They are also what like 27 so not super young. Houston losing their own 1st gives them no reason to tank. Even if they throw in a bunch of 1st your projecting them to be outside of the lottery.

LA can find another vet PG for near the min so I wouldn’t worry about that.

[cima]

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As much as I like Caruso he’s not a point guard. He has the combo guard skill set to play the role for spot minutes, but you can tell his lead guard skills are a bit lacking..

If it goes LeBron-Dennis-Caruso their level of available playmakers takes a significant hit when LeBron isn’t on the floor. Rondo has tons of faults, but we saw how much the Lakers missed the occasional easy bucket he creates for guys when he was out.. on the other hand Dennis is better in almost every area the Lakers need him to be. Better shooter, can create shots, quicker on defense, probably a better in transition player alongside Bron, etc.

I do feel like when the Lakers are piecing together the rest of their roster trying to land a guy like DJ Augustine or Jeff Teague on possibly a 1 year cheaper type of deal will be crucial for them.

That said we still don’t know for certain Rondo is out, or that Danny Green is the matching salary in the trade. Seems like Stein is the only one who’s threw his name out so far.


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Woj's article said Green.

Rondo still could come back. Otherwise maybe they'll try Darren Collison again...lol.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Regardless of what they do, all this new Nets hatred/slander in the upcoming season is gonna be funny to read on here from some of ya’ll, lol.

[cima]

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Yeah I don't see the attraction of Harden to the Nets. Sounds like too much drama, not to mention none of your 3 best players is an elite defender and you'd have to gut your team to get him...hard pass if I'm the Nets.

[ojandpizza]

2020 Offseason Thread

While the nets have the assets to get him I think it would require a bunch of 1st round picks. The players they can send are all good, but none of them are projected to be all stars. They are also what like 27 so not super young. Houston losing their own 1st gives them no reason to tank. Even if they throw in a bunch of 1st your projecting them to be outside of the lottery.

LA can find another vet PG for near the min so I wouldn’t worry about that.

It would seem more likely that a team like Philly would have the better offer if Embiid or Simmons were made available. If the rumors that they want Harden are true. They might also even be able to send Harris, or Richardson out and take back one of the defensive guys like Tucker or RoCo.

Like you said, LeVert is a really good player but at this point he would have to get substantially better to showcase that he’s much more than becoming a Lou Williams type of guy. He’s got time to grow, but it’s also not like he’s 22 showing flashes of being a superstar either. Dinwiddie wouldn’t be in a rebuilding teams plans and likely a 1 year rental with his contract expiring. Seems they would have to really love Allen. Nets would likely have to give up tons of picks, which they should be fine with doing if they had Harden, Kyrie, KD, but at the same time will Houston want a bunch of 28-30 range picks if they can land a superstar?

I wonder if Milwaukee might sneak into the discussions. They should also have no issues shelling out picks and if Middleton were to become available as a return they are also sending out the better player. Miami and Chicago also have really enticing young pieces as well. LaVine, Lauri, picks, Thad Young to match the money? They are also one of the few teams who can give them a quality pick back as well with this years #4.

Wonder if Minnesota, Golden State try to make a move? DLo, number 1 pick, James Johnson, does Houston get a better return than that from anybody else? Golden State has had no issues trying to mix stars in the past as well. Atlanta maybe could even make some noise with number 6, Collins, Reddish, if they wanted.

If Harden is truly available lots of teams could make this a bidding war and I’m not sure BK really has the best offer, or even close, unless they are willing to give up substantively more picks/swaps. Or Harden claims he’s refusing to resign elsewhere.


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[georgiafan]

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Yea all the teams you named and then some could make a offer that’s better then what nets could offer if they are just shipping him to the highest bidder. So unless he says I’ll only play for Brooklyn which would be a different story. You can’t come out of this without some high end draft picks or 1 young player with all star potential.

If I’m Houston I would also want to include Eric Gordon In the deal who is owed a lot over the next few years. They could put a team like philly in the mix with sending back al’s contract. You wouldn’t be able to have both Westbrook and Simmons on the same team though.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2020 Offseason Thread

LeVert’s ceiling is definitely higher than a Lou Will player.

I understand what non-Nets fans have seen of him was only in the bubble so recency bias of course but his game is much more than that. His main issue has been staying healthy.

And yes, plenty of other teams could offer a better deal than the Nets could(although not substantially better). But we all know that’s not how THESE type of deals happen or even go down. ****, there were teams that could’ve offered a better deal than what the Lakers gave up for Davis...but if the player specifically says they want to go there and only there, then everything else is irrelevant.

Again, I’d rather them stand pat and see how the team looks when they’re actually playing games before making any moves.

[jfsolo]

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With Harden having 2 full years plus a 3rd year player option of 46 million, teams should not be afraid to trade for him if they believe that they can construct a championship team around him after whatever assets they give up in the deal, IMO.

[Majingir]

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Per shams Lakers are In talks to trade Danny Green and 28th pick for Dennis Schroeder

OKC Thunder for 2021 NBA Champs.


Danny Green can 3 peat on 3 diff teams, despite not hitting many 3s when any of those teams needed him to do so.

[ojandpizza]

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I think its higher than Lou, but I meant that type of player. A guy who flirts with being a starter on most teams, 6th man on really good teams, is probably not going to be quite an All-Star guy year in and year out but maybe not far from it. Can easily get you 20 a night, has games he will explode for 40 as well, etc.

Obviously you've still watched him much more than I have, but I've been keeping some tabs on the Nets dating back to before he got hurt the first time. Remember I was one of the few in here hyping up Atkinson and Marks early into 20018-19 season for coach/GM of the year. I like LeVert's game but part of me feels like he will get lost among the touches and therefor his value will only go down. I think if they get a great trade for him it might be best to do it now before he's stuck being 3rd, 4th in touches on the team and he drops from 20 a night to 13.

Either way with LeVert and Harris on the team, and Dinwiddie backing up Kyrie, 2 quality bigs in Jordan and Allen they have no reason to make trades right now. I'm more so just assuming they will because of KD, Kyrie. They have more depth sitting on the roster right now that the team that just won it all did at the start of last season, they can be patient for sure but I do feel that being patient could maybe cost them getting a "big 3". But like you said, they shouldn't need it.

Honestly with Harden, Beal, it's a different story.. But I wouldn't trade LeVert for Oladipo or Jrue. I think Jrue is the better 2-way win now guy, but it doesn't make sense to trade for him and keep Dinwiddie. The last we saw from Vic he's not even at LeVert's level going forward.

[ojandpizza]

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With Harden having 2 full years plus a 3rd year player option of 46 million, teams should not be afraid to trade for him if they believe that they can construct a championship team around him after whatever assets they give up in the deal, IMO.

True.. personally I think Chicago should be going all in here. LaVine has been in trade rumors for 2 years now, if Caris and the 19 pick moves the needle for Houston then LaVine and number 4 should have them drooling.

Last we saw from a healthy Porter he was becoming a really good young player as well just as Caris is. He's still young enough for Houston to possibly want, and if not he's expiring so they get to that rebuild even faster.

Chicago could send LaVine, Porter, Thad, the number 4 pick, and future firsts and take back Harden, RoCo, Tucker, or Harden and Gordon. Houston would be sending out nearly 60+ million in contracts on their books for the next 2-3 years and shed nearly 40 of that by the end of next season by letting Porter go and not keeping Thad as only half his last year is guaranteed.