2020 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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So the DeRozan to LAL stuff seems to be everywhere now. Not sure if that makes it more accurate or not since it hasn’t come from Shams or Woj, but I don’t really understand how the money works.. I’m guessing maybe Kuzma signs his extension before the trade?

If I’m not mistaken he has one year left on his current rookie scale deal but once you sign your extension that trade dollar amount increases because it becomes a “poison pill contract”. Any cap experts know if that’s accurate? If the Lakers were going that route, I feel like they could probably do a bit better fit wise than DeRozan honestly.

It would depend on number of years and the money obviously, but just comparing him to some other extension values extending him before trading him would increase his trade value to something closer to 12-15mil rather than his current value of 2mil. If all that works the way I’m thinking it does the Lakers could easily land another 25-30mil guy and still retain almost their entire roster. Something like Kuz, Green, Cook, this years draft pick.

BUT I thought the league had a rule where players couldn’t be traded for a few months after signing an extension? Does that still apply to players who’s extensions would still be a whole year away? I have no idea.

Do we have any cap experts on OS?


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[jeebs9]

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Oh man lol James Harden to Nets?

[georgiafan]

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So the DeRozan to LAL stuff seems to be everywhere now. Not sure if that makes it more accurate or not since it hasn’t come from Shams or Woj, but I don’t really understand how the money works.. I’m guessing maybe Kuzma signs his extension before the trade?

If I’m not mistaken he has one year left on his current rookie scale deal but once you sign your extension that trade dollar amount increases because it becomes a “poison pill contract”. Any cap experts know if that’s accurate? If the Lakers were going that route, I feel like they could probably do a bit better fit wise than DeRozan honestly.

It would depend on number of years and the money obviously, but just comparing him to some other extension values extending him before trading him would increase his trade value to something closer to 12-15mil rather than his current value of 2mil. If all that works the way I’m thinking it does the Lakers could easily land another 25-30mil guy and still retain almost their entire roster. Something like Kuz, Green, Cook, this years draft pick.

BUT I thought the league had a rule where players couldn’t be traded for a few months after signing an extension? Does that still apply to players who’s extensions would still be a whole year away? I have no idea.

Do we have any cap experts on OS?


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Kuz salary for next year is 3.5 million so even if he signs a new deal that would start for 21/22. It wouldn’t effect how much his salary is viewed in a trade. As far as I know.

On a somewhat similar note the cap expert I use to follow all the time and read his site is now working full time as the cap guru for klucth sports. He was amazing on cap stuff the best I’ve ever seen and was a Georgia Tech graduate. So I’m sure he is helping Lebron and company funding a way to make the math work.

[ojandpizza]

2020 Offseason Thread

I think when a rookie scale players signs a new deal before is current contract is over his tradable contract becomes a “poison pill contract”. Meaning that his actual out going trade value is an average of the new contract yearly salary and the current year salary.

So if Kuz signed 4 years 80 plus the 3 for this up coming year his outgoing trade value would be 83/5 or roughly 16 million.


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[ojandpizza]

2020 Offseason Thread

For example, Dejounte Murray’s contract this year was just over 2 mil but his outgoing trade value was like 13 something.

I just don’t know the inner workings of how/when a player can be traded after that. I know certain rules there is a period you have to wait to trade a player after he signs a deal, but I also know there are sign and trades all the time too.. and not sure how the waiting part works if the players current contract hasn’t ended yet, like the rookie scale contracts with one year left on them, etc.


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[ojandpizza]

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I mean, it’s not unheard of for NBA media to build a narrative out of nothing. All it takes is one “report” that someone is unhappy on their current team for 10 other guys to latch onto the one false report trying to outscoop each other for a story to get out of hand and to build into something completely detached from the reality of the situation.


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I get that, I just meant that part of it all just felt a bit too specific I guess. These types of stories are typically left at “Vic wants to be traded”, “Indiana wants to trade Vic”, “this team wants Vic”, “these offers are out there for Vic”, not “Vic was on the floor asking other teams, these teams specifically, if he could come play with them next season”.. like even if he said it jokingly after a teammate of his did something stupid, it just seems like a strange thing to fabricate. It’s not even like Vic is the level of player that some large fabricated story even needs to be made up about him either because at the end of the day Oladipo getting traded isn’t really a big offseason story regardless.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Per Woj, Trade Season begins tomorrow and the trade moratorium will end at noon EST.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1327990903168962560?s=21

[illwill10]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Per Woj, Trade Season begins tomorrow and the trade moratorium will end at noon EST.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...168962560?s=21

"
Tentative schedule
December 22: Opening night.
All-Star Break (minus an ASG): March 5-10
May 16: Regular season ends
May 17-to-21: Play-in tournament for 7-to-10 seeds.
May 22: First-round playoffs
June 7: Conference semifinals
June 22: Conference Finals
July 8-22: NBA Finals"
This will kick off a truly wild week for the NBA:

- Trades are allowed to take place beginning Monday at noon.

- The NBA Draft is Wednesday night.

- Free agency begins at 6pm Friday.

- Contracts can be signed Sunday at noon.

[georgiafan]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Per shams Lakers are In talks to trade Danny Green and 28th pick for Dennis Schroeder

[jeebs9]

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Per shams Lakers are In talks to trade Danny Green and 28th pick for Dennis Schroeder

I love Dennis. But he's not a Rondo replacement.

[georgiafan]

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He gives them a legit 3rd scorer though with the tradeoff being Danny’s defense is gone. I like the move for LA granted I’ve always been a fan of Dennis.

Supposedly it helps them a bit with the full MLE.


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[King_B_Mack]

2020 Offseason Thread

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That can’t be right? Surely OKC isn’t JUST getting the number 28 back here.

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[jfsolo]

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Schroeder would be a nice get for Danny and a late first. He'll be able to generate his own offense better than any guard that we've had for a while. Sign a wing defender in FA and figuring out the 5 will be the next moves.

[jeebs9]

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That can’t be right? Surely OKC isn’t JUST getting the number 28 back here.

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If it's straight up. It's a ****ing steal for them. Unless the 28th pick becomes K-Why or Giannis

[jfsolo]

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If it's straight up. It's a ****ing steal for them. Unless the 28th pick becomes K-Why or Giannis

It can't be straight up, the money doesn't work, Danny has to be part of the deal because of the cap rules and to make the trade more equitable of course.