2020 Offseason Thread

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Not at all trying to make the Bulls the Rockets of the midwest, I said trade for Harden not bring D'Antoni with him. The trade I proposed still has White, Lauri, Carter remaining on the Bulls. The future is still there remaining on the roster, not flushing it anywhere expect for into the playoffs with this.



You either draft the type of stars that help you win or trade assets to acquire them. There is no play it out with the youth and see what happens unless that youth has stars in it. I'm not trying to piss in any Bulls fans corn flakes, just get them out of damn mediocrity sometime this decade. It's rare to land a star and not have to move your young core to do it, definitely not often that you have a team like BK who already has guys like Caris and Allen but also the cap space to land two superstars. Chicago isn't in a position to do that, and this gets them there without having to sell the farm like AD, PG, etc.



FWIW their style of ball has shown to win, and win a lot, just not a championship. If the Bulls youth is good enough to win at some point they should be even better upgrading LaVine to Harden and adding some defensive minded guys who can guard 3s and mobile 4s.



Either way it's not happening, so you have nothing to worry about. OJ armchair hypotheticals do not have multiple sauces lol.

This does not get them out of mediocrity. FWIW if you’re not playing ball that can win you a championship, you’re wasting everyone’s time. I’ve had multiple teams that win a bunch of regular season games and then flame out in the playoffs, not interested in continuing that trend.

James Harden’s ball dominate style of play nullifies what White’s biggest strength. He’s not a facilitator. He’s an undersized guard who can score the ball. Taking the ball out of his hands for Harden to iso and draw whistles doesn’t make Coby better. I still don’t know what Lauri is and any trade that sells me on moving our most valuable assets based on him and Carter still being here to be the future is a no go for me. As pointed out previously Carter had yet to play more than 44 games in his career so far. That’s a red flag and leaving us in a bigger hole than what we are already in right now before we even make a move like the trade here would if it doesn’t work out.

Harden has given us more than enough of a sample size to know he’s a serial playoff choker when the refs are swallowing whistles and when he isn’t living at the free throw line he contributes nothing else on the floor to help the team win. Don’t need it here and that’s before we even get to the issue of what we’re hearing about him right now and the Bulls’ biggest issue of not getting top free agents to sign here will certainly not want to come here with him here.

Finally, this is the NBA, literally every 6 months or so a star wants out of their situation. If you’re telling me sell the farm now for all of that from the Rockets, or wait it out, let the new regime evaluate who’s here and what they get in the draft while maintaining cap flexibility for next year when Giannis could potentially hit the market or some other guy may look to force his way out by the trade deadline, I’d rather be in position to go that route.


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[ojandpizza]

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This does not get them out of mediocrity. FWIW if you’re not playing ball that can win you a championship, you’re wasting everyone’s time. I’ve had multiple teams that win a bunch of regular season games and then flame out in the playoffs, not interested in continuing that trend.

But you're interested in continuing the trend of not making them at all or being an 8th seed?

James Harden’s ball dominate style of play nullifies what White’s biggest strength. He’s not a facilitator. He’s an undersized guard who can score the ball. Taking the ball out of his hands for Harden to iso and draw whistles doesn’t make Coby better.

Harden fits well with him because Harden IS a playmaker while neither White or LaVine are.

Harden has given us more than enough of a sample size to know he’s a serial playoff choker when the refs are swallowing whistles and when he isn’t living at the free throw line he contributes nothing else on the floor to help the team win.

He's a choker playing his current brand of basketball, like I said I didn't propose they also hire D'Antoni.

Finally, this is the NBA, literally every 6 months or so a star wants out of their situation. If you’re telling me sell the farm now for all of that from the Rockets, or wait it out, let the new regime evaluate who’s here and what they get in the draft while maintaining cap flexibility for next year when Giannis could potentially hit the market or some other guy may look to force his way out by the trade deadline, I’d rather be in position to go that route.

Last point is fair for sure, I'll agree with you that waiting to see if/when another star wants out might be a good play.. just not sure you get a better opportunity than now, because you'd essentially be doing the same thing then for someone other than Harden and typically those players wanting out are on the last year or two of their deal.

But I'm not at all proposing you sell the farm, just this awful 4th pick before you draft someone that's useless and LaVine + salary.

[ojandpizza]

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Goodbye Spencer, it’s been real.

You think he's out?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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It would seem more likely that a team like Philly would have the better offer if Embiid or Simmons were made available. If the rumors that they want Harden are true. They might also even be able to send Harris, or Richardson out and take back one of the defensive guys like Tucker or RoCo.

Like you said, LeVert is a really good player but at this point he would have to get substantially better to showcase that he’s much more than becoming a Lou Williams type of guy. He’s got time to grow, but it’s also not like he’s 22 showing flashes of being a superstar either. Dinwiddie wouldn’t be in a rebuilding teams plans and likely a 1 year rental with his contract expiring. Seems they would have to really love Allen. Nets would likely have to give up tons of picks, which they should be fine with doing if they had Harden, Kyrie, KD, but at the same time will Houston want a bunch of 28-30 range picks if they can land a superstar?

I wonder if Milwaukee might sneak into the discussions. They should also have no issues shelling out picks and if Middleton were to become available as a return they are also sending out the better player. Miami and Chicago also have really enticing young pieces as well. LaVine, Lauri, picks, Thad Young to match the money? They are also one of the few teams who can give them a quality pick back as well with this years #4.

Wonder if Minnesota, Golden State try to make a move? DLo, number 1 pick, James Johnson, does Houston get a better return than that from anybody else? Golden State has had no issues trying to mix stars in the past as well. Atlanta maybe could even make some noise with number 6, Collins, Reddish, if they wanted.

If Harden is truly available lots of teams could make this a bidding war and I’m not sure BK really has the best offer, or even close, unless they are willing to give up substantively more picks/swaps. Or Harden claims he’s refusing to resign elsewhere.


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The issue with Milwaukee shoveling out picks for Harden is that we literally do not have picks to offer. I think we can only offer like 2 first round picks maximum. Nothing else is eligible to be traded.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2020 Offseason Thread

I get what King means.

He wants to rebuild the same way the Nets did when they hired Marks. Rebuild from the ground up, focus on draft and development and be available when an opportunity arises. No skipping steps.

What we did wasn’t anything different or new. We just stayed the course and look where it got us. I don’t see why that plan wouldn’t work for them and they’re already ahead of where we started at since we didn’t have our own picks.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2020 Offseason Thread

You think he's out?

Either he or Temple.

Now that I’m think about it, probably Temple since Brown can provide what he does for a lesser cost than Temple.

[ojandpizza]

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I get what King means.

He wants to rebuild the same way the Nets did when they hired Marks. Rebuild from the ground up, focus on draft and development and be available when an opportunity arises. No skipping steps.

What we did wasn’t anything different or new. We just stayed the course and look where it got us. I don’t see why that plan wouldn’t work for them and they’re already ahead of where we started at since we didn’t have our own picks.

When is Chicago going to have cap space to sign stars though with White, LaVine, Porter, Lauri, Carter, Thad Young, this years 4th all under contract? And what star is joining them with where they are now?

The Nets did the same thing I'm proposing now when they decided to trade DLo for Kevin Durant. They had landed a player who was good enough, with enough contracts to land a star, I'm literally proposing they take the Nets route by making this trade.

[cima]

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I feel like the Lakers will match unless someone just really overpays for him.

I swear Bron gets dudes PAID man. Ridiculous lol

Yep. Tristan Thompson got PAID and now he's (in many people's eyes) not even worth the MLE.

[ojandpizza]

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Yep. Tristan Thompson got PAID and now he's (in many people's eyes) not even worth the MLE.

And JR, Delly, Mozzy, Shump, about to be KCP, Rondo, Dwight, Morris, etc.. Increasing everyone's value lol.

[ojandpizza]

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Either he or Temple.

Now that I’m think about it, probably Temple since Brown can provide what he does for a lesser cost than Temple.

I'm sure he's going to be on Boston, Milwaukee, LAL, Philly, those type of teams radar. Strangely he's had maybe the best two years of his career this past two with Memphis and BRK. I know he's nothing special, but I like that you can basically just plug him anywhere positions 1-3 and he'll be equally solid. If he had a better 3 point shot he'd probably be getting decent money somewhere.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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When is Chicago going to have cap space to sign stars though with White, LaVine, Porter, Lauri, Carter, Thad Young, this years 4th all under contract? And what star is joining them with where they are now?

The Nets did the same thing I'm proposing now when they decided to trade DLo for Kevin Durant. They had landed a player who was good enough, with enough contracts to land a star, I'm literally proposing they take the Nets route by making this trade.

But that still took us 3 years to get that point, OJ. Remember, we didn’t have to trade DLo to sign KD because we could’ve signed him outright.

They have guys on their roster that they can develop to become their version of Joe Harris or Spencer Dinwiddie or Caris LeVert or Jarrett Allen. If their FO doesn’t think any of those guys are worth the investment, then they’ll get moved and they’ll take picks for them. It’s not like they’re close to winning a championship or seriously contending so they can afford to take their time, lol.

To answer your question, who knows. I’m sure in 2016 you, me or anyone else didn’t see the Nets being in the position they were in 2019 to be able to sign guys like Kyrie and KD. We had to make ourselves attractive to get guys like that to be attracted to us. Why is that wrong/odd for Chicago to take that route, especially if as you two already mentioned, superstars become available every offseason in this era of Player Empowerment/Movement?

[cima]

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Holy ****, CP3 to Phoenix is actually happening per Woj!

[georgiafan]

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Alright cima where you at ?

@wojespn

The Phoenix Suns are finalizing a deal to acquire Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star guard Chris Paul, sources tell ESPN.

[ojandpizza]

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Holy ****, CP3 to Phoenix is actually happening per Woj!

I tried to tell you lol


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[cima]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1328400003564494856

Wow, am I wrong for thinking that's a steal? Better without Oubre anyway...