2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[ggsimmonds]

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Lol, Rockets really want Westbrook and a 1st (with the intent to deal Westbrook anyways).

I want it to happen just for the pure chaos.

Rockets traded CP3 and a few firsts for Westbrook.

They then dealt him for Wall and a 1st.

And now want to deal Wall for Westbrook and a 1st.

Someone really failed playing MyGM mode.

Its the price you pay for playing "keeping up with the splash brothers"

OKC made a killing. Wizards have emerged from the situation a better team (thanks Lakers lol), meanwhile LA and Houston are left looking like fools.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Per Shams(from Daryl Morey also), Sixers prefer to wait to pursue James Harden or another superstar and want to save Simmons for that potential deal over the current market.

[georgiafan]

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Morey has lost his mind

@ChrisKirschner (hawks reporter from atheltic)

The Sixers have asked for John Collins, multiple firsts and the Hawks taking back Tobias Harris’ salary for Ben Simmons.

More details below

[illwill10]

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Per Shams(from Daryl Morey also), Sixers prefer to wait to pursue James Harden or another superstar and want to save Simmons for that potential deal over the current market.

I really don't want to do all this for a chance at Harden. The potential pairing is great, but it's a super short term deal. I wasnt for it last year either. For me, it's that he'll be 33 and you'll have to sign him

Morey was on the radio on Thursday or Friday last week and was candid. Saying Joel's play of late, makes a top 40 player who's a great fit more agreeable. That they would make a deal that would allow a future trade. That they would take a young player of Maxey's caliber. He was direct and saying that there are potential Kings deals that would work and that it'll likely be a 3 team deal.

It's not just about wasting a year, it's that knowing we have a cap and getting out of first round is the best we can hope for. I rather go the "top 40 player who is a great fit" route than waiting for the chance at a superstar.

[ojandpizza]

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Morey has lost his mind

@ChrisKirschner (hawks reporter from atheltic)

The Sixers have asked for John Collins, multiple firsts and the Hawks taking back Tobias Harris’ salary for Ben Simmons.

More details below

I honestly don't think it's horrible. For the Hawks current struggles and issues I see Ben Simmons as a better fit for them than Collins. He's going to help them defensively, add some additional playmaking, and maybe most importantly help them get Trae to not have to do quite so much. If they get him moving a bit more in off-ball actions like GS uses Steph then he becomes one of the most dangerous threats in the league IMO.

The Tobias contract isn't amazing but he's better than Gallo at this point, and even though this has been one of his worst years efficiency wise in recent time he's still only 29 years old. It's more likely that he bounces back to form than it is he starts some sudden premature regression.

To match those salaries all Atlanta would have to include is Gallo+Bogdanovic, or Gallo with Wright and Knox.. Something along those lines. All guys (asside from Knox) that they are already shopping anyways. Gallo being an expiring only benefits them more than Harris if it were to free up room for them to get a good replacement. I don't think that is a possibility. Gallo isn't good enough for a better return than this haul, and Tobias is tradable down the line for upgrades if needed where Gallo will just be gone with their salary maxed.

If I'm ATL I'm wanting back something to alleviate a loss of depth there. Thybulle, or Maxey, even Seth Curry.. If Philly won't budge there then something from a 3rd team. "multiple firsts" doesn't provide much clarity either. Is multiple like just 2 or are they asking for 3 or 4. A couple firsts isn't bad, especially with protections and for a playoff team.. Double especially if one of them can be a swap. It's tough to really know how ridiculous of an offer it is without knowing the answer to that.

I like John Collins, I think from a talent perspective and what all he can do he is truly almost a 1 of 1 player in league. But I think his motor is trash, and to me they aren't going to take another step forward until he can become something that fixes their problems. Ben has his own issues but with Atlanta never being able to turn Collins into that star level piece I would take somebody who could help me slow down guys like KD and Giannis in this particular instance. Atlanta isn't going to struggle to score here regardless, and we already know when their defense is locked in they go from looking like a lottery team to a team that made the ECF.

I know trading away the promising young guy in Collins is never going to be a move Hawks fans would want. But from the outside looking in I think this is about the best move they could hope for. Atlanta will default to Trae pick and rolls and the occasional Huerter/Bogdanovic isos when the games slow down late in the playoffs. If you can pair that with a trio of Hunter-Ben-Capela on the floor with them they should be able to have a top 5 level defense in theory on the floor even with Trae.. IMO worth the gamble relative to the product on the floor currently. Ben in the open floor gives them a dynamic they don't have currently as well. Couple extra transition buckets come playoff time helps teams when the half-court game isn't going, ask Milwaukee for example.

[georgiafan]

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Gallo will be bought out after this year taking the 5 million hit. Even with that avoiding the luxuary tax is going to be tricky. Atlanta isn't going to pay Harris a extra 33 million next year then what it would with a Gallo buyout.

You also don't want to surround Trae with a lineup of 2 zero non shooters Ben and Clint and Harris who is maybe average. Collins shoots 43% from 3 and Harris 32%.

I agree Trae needs to learn to play off the ball, but anytime he does he just stands still with his hand in the air like the out of shape guy at the YMCA

I honestly don't think it's horrible. For the Hawks current struggles and issues I see Ben Simmons as a better fit for them than Collins. He's going to help them defensively, add some additional playmaking, and maybe most importantly help them get Trae to not have to do quite so much. If they get him moving a bit more in off-ball actions like GS uses Steph then he becomes one of the most dangerous threats in the league IMO.

The Tobias contract isn't amazing but he's better than Gallo at this point, and even though this has been one of his worst years efficiency wise in recent time he's still only 29 years old. It's more likely that he bounces back to form than it is he starts some sudden premature regression.

To match those salaries all Atlanta would have to include is Gallo+Bogdanovic, or Gallo with Wright and Knox.. Something along those lines. All guys (asside from Knox) that they are already shopping anyways. Gallo being an expiring only benefits them more than Harris if it were to free up room for them to get a good replacement. I don't think that is a possibility. Gallo isn't good enough for a better return than this haul, and Tobias is tradable down the line for upgrades if needed where Gallo will just be gone with their salary maxed.

If I'm ATL I'm wanting back something to alleviate a loss of depth there. Thybulle, or Maxey, even Seth Curry.. If Philly won't budge there then something from a 3rd team. "multiple firsts" doesn't provide much clarity either. Is multiple like just 2 or are they asking for 3 or 4. A couple firsts isn't bad, especially with protections and for a playoff team.. Double especially if one of them can be a swap. It's tough to really know how ridiculous of an offer it is without knowing the answer to that.

I like John Collins, I think from a talent perspective and what all he can do he is truly almost a 1 of 1 player in league. But I think his motor is trash, and to me they aren't going to take another step forward until he can become something that fixes their problems. Ben has his own issues but with Atlanta never being able to turn Collins into that star level piece I would take somebody who could help me slow down guys like KD and Giannis in this particular instance. Atlanta isn't going to struggle to score here regardless, and we already know when their defense is locked in they go from looking like a lottery team to a team that made the ECF.

I know trading away the promising young guy in Collins is never going to be a move Hawks fans would want. But from the outside looking in I think this is about the best move they could hope for. Atlanta will default to Trae pick and rolls and the occasional Huerter/Bogdanovic isos when the games slow down late in the playoffs. If you can pair that with a trio of Hunter-Ben-Capela on the floor with them they should be able to have a top 5 level defense in theory on the floor even with Trae.. IMO worth the gamble relative to the product on the floor currently. Ben in the open floor gives them a dynamic they don't have currently as well. Couple extra transition buckets come playoff time helps teams when the half-court game isn't going, ask Milwaukee for example.

[Master Live 013]

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Admit it Morey, you are secretly (or no so secretly) trying to end Simmons career

[illwill10]

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I do think the idea of waiting for specific players is a dice roll. The linked stars are Harden, Lillard, and Beal, barring any other players becoming available. That's depending on too many uncontrollable variables. Are the Nets willing to help a division "rival"? Especially for a player who sat out a whole season. It makes more financial sense for Beal to re-sign and ask for a trade the following season, I think. Portland situation is hard to gauge and they could get a better package than a Simmons-headlined deal. After that, you don't know what other "top 30" player will be become available.

Joel covers up a lot of the team's weaknesses. We had an easier stretch of games the past week or so, and we needed him to play at a MVP level just to win games. I'm okay with a deal that strengthens the depth of the team. I would take that proposed Kings deal. That proposed Bill Simmons deal that included Sabonis(who is injured) doesn't make sense. That's almost a worser fit than Horford and Embiid. Then to have a Front-Court of Harris-Sabonis-Embiid isn’t going to work. This roster is still built around Ben Simmons. We don't have a true PG since Maxey is still learning the position. Joel has been the best playmaker and that's a problem.

[ggsimmonds]

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I honestly don't think it's horrible. For the Hawks current struggles and issues I see Ben Simmons as a better fit for them than Collins. He's going to help them defensively, add some additional playmaking, and maybe most importantly help them get Trae to not have to do quite so much. If they get him moving a bit more in off-ball actions like GS uses Steph then he becomes one of the most dangerous threats in the league IMO.

The Tobias contract isn't amazing but he's better than Gallo at this point, and even though this has been one of his worst years efficiency wise in recent time he's still only 29 years old. It's more likely that he bounces back to form than it is he starts some sudden premature regression.

To match those salaries all Atlanta would have to include is Gallo+Bogdanovic, or Gallo with Wright and Knox.. Something along those lines. All guys (asside from Knox) that they are already shopping anyways. Gallo being an expiring only benefits them more than Harris if it were to free up room for them to get a good replacement. I don't think that is a possibility. Gallo isn't good enough for a better return than this haul, and Tobias is tradable down the line for upgrades if needed where Gallo will just be gone with their salary maxed.

If I'm ATL I'm wanting back something to alleviate a loss of depth there. Thybulle, or Maxey, even Seth Curry.. If Philly won't budge there then something from a 3rd team. "multiple firsts" doesn't provide much clarity either. Is multiple like just 2 or are they asking for 3 or 4. A couple firsts isn't bad, especially with protections and for a playoff team.. Double especially if one of them can be a swap. It's tough to really know how ridiculous of an offer it is without knowing the answer to that.

I like John Collins, I think from a talent perspective and what all he can do he is truly almost a 1 of 1 player in league. But I think his motor is trash, and to me they aren't going to take another step forward until he can become something that fixes their problems. Ben has his own issues but with Atlanta never being able to turn Collins into that star level piece I would take somebody who could help me slow down guys like KD and Giannis in this particular instance. Atlanta isn't going to struggle to score here regardless, and we already know when their defense is locked in they go from looking like a lottery team to a team that made the ECF.

I know trading away the promising young guy in Collins is never going to be a move Hawks fans would want. But from the outside looking in I think this is about the best move they could hope for. Atlanta will default to Trae pick and rolls and the occasional Huerter/Bogdanovic isos when the games slow down late in the playoffs. If you can pair that with a trio of Hunter-Ben-Capela on the floor with them they should be able to have a top 5 level defense in theory on the floor even with Trae.. IMO worth the gamble relative to the product on the floor currently. Ben in the open floor gives them a dynamic they don't have currently as well. Couple extra transition buckets come playoff time helps teams when the half-court game isn't going, ask Milwaukee for example.

Nah, its horrible

[ojandpizza]

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Nah, its horrible

I don’t think it’s bad. But I also don’t know what the market is for John Collins either. In Atlanta’s case I’d rather have Ben but obviously the Tobias contract is what isn’t ideal.. as bad as Gallo, Bogdanovic, Lou, Wright have been for them Harris would actually be a solid and upgrade IMO. The 30+ mil isn’t at all what I would want to pay for him, but if the idea is to just let Gallo walk next year after his 5 mil and get nothing at all for him I would rather have Harris under contract as a trade piece. Even if he’s not moved next year he’s an expiring after, still just 31 that’s easy to off-load.

His shooting has dipped this year, but he’s been a 40% guy over the past 4 years. It’s unrealistic to think he won’t normalize closer to that level. Especially when he gets back to getting some clean looks playing with Trae/Ben.

Hawks won’t have big free agent money this off-season regardless of the Gallo situation. So you let Gallo go, you don’t sign anybody to replace him, I’d rather have the overpaid player who still good for 20 a night than a minimum contract player. Even if that means paying your 6th man 35 mil for a season longer than you were going to pay Gallo.

I think that trade which gives them a serviceable defender with Harris rather than one of the worst in a rotation in Gallo, and then Ben who is a top 5 defender in the league and adding him to Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, I think they could jump from a bottom tier to top 5 defense.

[illwill10]

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Regardless of the Ben situation, Sixers do need to make a move to improve team. They had to have another great game from Joel and the best Tobias game of the season to come back to beat an undermanned Pelicans team without 4 starters.

Even if It is just a depth move. Would love to pair Green(contract is not guaranteed after this year) and Furkan(who's on a team friendly deal) and a pick for someone like Eric Gordon or someone like Dragic. Those two are close to $15 Mill and a pick can land them a solid rotation player

[ggsimmonds]

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I don’t think it’s bad. But I also don’t know what the market is for John Collins either. In Atlanta’s case I’d rather have Ben but obviously the Tobias contract is what isn’t ideal.. as bad as Gallo, Bogdanovic, Lou, Wright have been for them Harris would actually be a solid and upgrade IMO. The 30+ mil isn’t at all what I would want to pay for him, but if the idea is to just let Gallo walk next year after his 5 mil and get nothing at all for him I would rather have Harris under contract as a trade piece. Even if he’s not moved next year he’s an expiring after, still just 31 that’s easy to off-load.

His shooting has dipped this year, but he’s been a 40% guy over the past 4 years. It’s unrealistic to think he won’t normalize closer to that level. Especially when he gets back to getting some clean looks playing with Trae/Ben.

Hawks won’t have big free agent money this off-season regardless of the Gallo situation. So you let Gallo go, you don’t sign anybody to replace him, I’d rather have the overpaid player who still good for 20 a night than a minimum contract player. Even if that means paying your 6th man 35 mil for a season longer than you were going to pay Gallo.

I think that trade which gives them a serviceable defender with Harris rather than one of the worst in a rotation in Gallo, and then Ben who is a top 5 defender in the league and adding him to Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, I think they could jump from a bottom tier to top 5 defense.

Yeah its Tobias' contract that makes it a non-starter for me. If it was Collins and some draft capital for Ben I could entertain that.

Buying Gallo out and letting him walk with getting nothing in return is exactly what Atlanta should want. His contract is like Rus and Wall's. Its a negative value contract.

Atlanta will be relieved to get out from the Gallo contract. It doesn't make sense to dive right back into another bad contract by taking on Tobias.

Philly would have to drop one of the demands for me to consider this trade. Either drop Tobias or the draft pick(s). I'm not giving up a player the caliber of Collins, multiple draft assets, and agreeing to take on a bad contract in exchange for a guy like Ben.

[illwill10]

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Yeah its Tobias' contract that makes it a non-starter for me. If it was Collins and some draft capital for Ben I could entertain that.

Buying Gallo out and letting him walk with getting nothing in return is exactly what Atlanta should want. His contract is like Rus and Wall's. Its a negative value contract.

Atlanta will be relieved to get out from the Gallo contract. It doesn't make sense to dive right back into another bad contract by taking on Tobias.

Philly would have to drop one of the demands for me to consider this trade. Either drop Tobias or the draft pick(s). I'm not giving up a player the caliber of Collins, multiple draft assets, and agreeing to take on a bad contract in exchange for a guy like Ben.

There's only 2 teams, I see taking on that Tobias contract. Either Kings out of desperation or OKC(3 team deal) for future 1sts. It's been 15 years without playoffs for Kings, its hard to keep selling fanbase on high firsts. I do think Ben and Tobias could get them to the 9th seed. But if I'm the Kings, I'm not trading Haliburton. I think Haliburton is the better fit alongside Ben than Fox is. It's just that Fox isn't a fit. It would need to be a 3 team deal

[georgiafan]

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A thing to keep in mind is Atlanta has played a lot better ball since with Hunter has came back. Without looking it up probably won 4 of 5. He is key to the team with what he does especially now without Cam.

Everyone is focused on Collins, but the person for Atlanta that needs to be traded is Bogdan. He was always a awful fit with Trae and Huerter is the same type of player. One issue with trading him is he has a 15% trade kicker. He is to good for just a salary dump and prob not good enough for a real asset. If you get a expiring for him and then take the 5 million hit on Gallo then your luxury tax issue is fixed next year.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Knowing the type of player Julius Randle is.. is there a team that would actually want him in a trade?