2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[Hassan Darkside]

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I wasn't super confident last years play was sustainable for him simply because he was taking and making so many difficult shots, but I didn't really expect him to decline quite as much as he has. Especially for a guy who took a pay cut. Not that I've watched every Knicks game but the few I have it seems his decision making has went back a step when that was something he made a huge leap in last year. I think we caught glimpses of that in the playoffs too, so part of that could just be teams having a year to scout/see film and prepare on him too. It's not like before that breakout that he was a guy teams were scouting against at an All-Star level I'm sure..

If traded I'm really looking forward to seeing Obi get more minutes. I like his game and energy a lot, and I do think his motor/play-style is just a better fit in general for what most teams need at that position. Feels like Randle tries too hard to be a Jayson Tatum type of player, I like that Obi is fine with running the floor, making hard back-cuts, etc to get a chunk of his points rather than trying to iso for every basket he gets. Plus RJ, Grimes, Robinson have been solid as of late so the young guys could make some solid progression to end this year.

I saw a stat somewhere that Julius Randle has the lowest eFG% on open shots in the league and it begins to make sense why he plays the way he does, but there's no reason his shot should have fallen off that much.

'The Clippers are trading Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and future second-round pick to the Trail Blazers for Norman Powell and Robert Covington, sources tell ESPN."

It's trades like this that make me never say never. Gary Trent is over in Toronto putting up 30 point games and all Portland has to show for that trade now is Eric Bledsoe's decaying corpse.

[Majingir]

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So the Clippers are trying to be the Raptors had they caved in to Kawhis demands?

Ibaka, Kawhi, Powell and then PG which resulted in them having 0 first round picks for the foreseeable future?

All they need now is Lowry and an unretired Marc Gasol and they're set.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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^You compared everything to the Raptors, lol

I think it's more the 2nd, but I think he's a valuable team defender and joining a good defensive team rather then being expected to vault a bad defensive team into a good one I think gives him back a lot of that value.. Not much unlike what we've seen with Batum to an extent, or when they had Mo Harkless.

That’s where I’m at with it. And at least with the Clippers, they have an established system/scheme where someone with his skill set can slide right in and fit in “easier” than he was in Portland.

[Majingir]

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It's trades like this that make me never say never. Gary Trent is over in Toronto putting up 30 point games and all Portland has to show for that trade now is Eric Bledsoe's decaying corpse.

I still can't believe what the Blazers are doing.

You traded a guy who was shooting around 39% from 3 and averaging 15 points a game at the age of 22 for a similar guy who is 5 years older.

Now, you deal that guy for someone having some of their worst numbers at the age of 32.

Not sure how you go from a 22 year old up and coming starter to a 27 year old starter you re-signed to a 5 year deal, to a 32 year old guy who has been on the bench half the year and is declining. All in the span of 11 months.

[georgiafan]

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It makes a lot of sense for Portland to trade away players and start over. Since they have almost no draft picks till 2026 I would think they would hold out for a 1st. Its hard to say they did it for cap space when Simons will prob cost what Powell was making this offseason.

[ojandpizza]

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I always felt that with the way Trent filled in for CJ when he was out that Portland should have traded CJ. In large because he would have gotten them a bigger return than trading Trent.

[ojandpizza]

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Its hard to say they did it for cap space when Simons will prob cost what Powell was making this offseason.

I think this is why though. They already know they want to pay Simons the money, they don't want to pay both.

[georgiafan]

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I'm sure they called other teams like the Pelicans, and nobody was offering expiring's + a 1st. So if this is the best offer they could get I understand it more then others. I would think they could have got something for Covington from a playoff team in a solo team.

I think this is why though. They already know they want to pay Simons the money, they don't want to pay both.

[illwill10]

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I still can't believe what the Blazers are doing.

You traded a guy who was shooting around 39% from 3 and averaging 15 points a game at the age of 22 for a similar guy who is 5 years older.

Now, you deal that guy for someone having some of their worst numbers at the age of 32.

Not sure how you go from a 22 year old up and coming starter to a 27 year old starter you re-signed to a 5 year deal, to a 32 year old guy who has been on the bench half the year and is declining. All in the span of 11 months.

Yeah, I don't understand what the plan is for them

Like you said, it was at best a Lateral move for a older similar player. Who you still had to pay either way. Of anything they should have paired Trent Jr and Roco last year for a wing with size they needed.

I get all this if they were blowing it up. Not like they are opening up significant cap space. And if they pat Simons, they are still committing to a small 3 guard lineup.

The next thing to look at is if they trade McCollum as well. That will tell you what the plan is. Only thing that makes sense other than blowing it up is if they are trying to do a roster reset on the fly

[ojandpizza]

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They definitely aren’t done. If not now then this off-season.

[Master Live 013]

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Blow it up Blazers!

[King_B_Mack]

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Wouldn't it have made more sense to just trade Dame and CJ during the offseason where you could have gotten more for them if you were just going to end up doing some stupid **** like this anyway? Now Dame will be 32 for any teams they want to trade him to in the offseason, he's hurt and may not even play again this season which could raise question marks on how effective he'll be moving forward. I don't know, just not seeing the sense in anything the Blazers are doing or have been doing for a while now.

[illwill10]

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CJ is definitely next. But, they should have moved him a year or so ago when the value was higher instead of forcing the pairing that everyone knew wouldn't work.

Best they can get for CJ is a salary matching deal that also includes a 1st.

[ojandpizza]

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Wouldn't it have made more sense to just trade Dame and CJ during the offseason where you could have gotten more for them if you were just going to end up doing some stupid **** like this anyway? Now Dame will be 32 for any teams they want to trade him to in the offseason, he's hurt and may not even play again this season which could raise question marks on how effective he'll be moving forward. I don't know, just not seeing the sense in anything the Blazers are doing or have been doing for a while now.

This is what I was saying earlier this season too. I know Dame is loyal and wants to be there, but I don’t understand it from a Portland standpoint. They have to just want to not look like the bad guys for shipping off the loyal star. But their attempts to get a team around him haven’t been great.

[illwill10]

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Wouldn't it have made more sense to just trade Dame and CJ during the offseason where you could have gotten more for them if you were just going to end up doing some stupid **** like this anyway? Now Dame will be 32 for any teams they want to trade him to in the offseason, he's hurt and may not even play again this season which could raise question marks on how effective he'll be moving forward. I don't know, just not seeing the sense in anything the Blazers are doing or have been doing for a while now.

They could've gotten Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle and picks likely in the summer easily. Not only will he be 32, the potential supermax extension he wants, will cause a team to hesitate. Like, I'll still take him in the offseason, but I'd rather just have him play out the contract than to give him an extension. Falls into the Harden situation, do you really want to pay Harden or Dame in the mid $50Ms when they are in the mid to late 30s.