2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[georgiafan]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Bol bol has been traded to the pistons for a 2nd round pick

[ProfessaPackMan]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Y’all ever think that maybe sometimes players just like playing where they’re at?

People so pressed to want that man to force the issue and demand a trade(something that we usually kill players for doing)and depending on where he goes AND if he somehow wins a championship there, those same people will be the ones trying to diminish that accomplishment because of who he’s playing with.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Y’all ever think that maybe sometimes players just like playing where they’re at?

People so pressed to want that man to force the issue and demand a trade(something that we usually kill players for doing)and depending on where he goes AND if he somehow wins a championship there, those same people will be the ones trying to diminish that accomplishment because of who he’s playing with.

That’s true, but I’m also taking about Portland trading Dame not Dame forcing a trade.

[illwill10]

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Y’all ever think that maybe sometimes players just like playing where they’re at?

People so pressed to want that man to force the issue and demand a trade(something that we usually kill players for doing)and depending on where he goes AND if he somehow wins a championship there, those same people will be the ones trying to diminish that accomplishment because of who he’s playing with.

I can agree with that. With someone like him and Beal, not only are they dug into the team and the city, their family and circle are too. Guys like that who are loyal and there for a decade plus, are engraved into the environment. For some guys, it's a passion but also a business and means to an end. If it were up to Dame, I do think he would want to spend his entire career there, but he does want to win.

That’s true, but I’m also taking about Portland trading Dame not Dame forcing a trade.

Especially with Dame now not going on their upcoming 6 or 7 game road trip with CJ out still and now Powell on Covid protocols. While they are still in reach of Play-In, I do think it is possible that they miss out if they go on a losing streak. They could end up keeping their first round pick, but not much they can do.

Do you think it gets to a point where they just shut him down for the year and tell him to get surgery and just semi-tank the year to get a high draft pick and use that and other assets to trade for a legit player next offseason

[ProfessaPackMan]

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They might as well shut him down.

Dude’s been playing hurt since the Olympics and hasn’t really had any rest since then, add to the other issues/injuries to the rest of the roster, the mess going on upstairs…once we hit February, you’re more than halfway through the season, it doesn’t make too much sense.

But I’m also thinking the long game and know that most franchises don’t do that and with that play in game mess, teams are gonna aim for that 10th spot to get in and then act like they’re “close” just because they won a game or 2 in that play-in mess.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Y’all ever think that maybe sometimes players just like playing where they’re at?

People so pressed to want that man to force the issue and demand a trade(something that we usually kill players for doing)and depending on where he goes AND if he somehow wins a championship there, those same people will be the ones trying to diminish that accomplishment because of who he’s playing with.

I think there’s a significant differences in the situations you’re talking about. Guys giving half efforts, not getting better as players and demanding trades really soon into tenures with a team get crushed for trying to force their way out as opposed to guys like Dame who have been with their teams 9-10 years and have genuinely tried to get over the hump. Gotten better as players and genuinely like the franchise people don’t have an issue with them asking out and not wasting any more of their career in a situation that they clearly can’t win in. It’s why nobody had an issue with Garnett and Ray Allen’s trades. Why they want Dame and Beal to not waste their primes in terrible situations like they’re in.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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But if those guys WANT to stay, why is that looked at as wrong/weird?

I get that fans are fans and are going to project what THEY want onto what they THINK a player wants(They’ve been doing it with Beal for the last 3 years despite he himself saying he’s happy and wants to stay in DC).

But I’m also becoming the “Get off my lawn” guy when it comes to NBA Fans and they’re constant need to be 2K GM(no disrespect to this thread or anyone here, y’all are cool but **** y’all trade proposals [emoji23] )

[georgiafan]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Report John Collins is frustrated with his role in Atlanta. He has seen his shot attempts and usage decrease in each of the past 3 seasons. This is his lowest usage rate since his rookie year.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2022/1/10/22876459/report-atlanta-hawks-john-collins-frustrated-trade-rumors-ben-simmons-76ers-news-nba-deadline-trades?utm_campaign=peachtreehoops&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[Master Live 013]

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My thing is, I don't wanna hear about how much Dame wants to win but still staying in Portland. He may want to win and win in Portland but that ain't happening, the cap situation is bad and the window is closed. Let us know you are happy not winning and being mediocre in Portland.

And the stigma of going to another team, winning a Title and being "diminish" by fans isn't nearly what it was in the old days (LeBron put and end to a lot of that, which is a good thing IMO) unless you are joining a 73 win team, in which case I might be first in line diminishing your Title.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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My thing is, I don't wanna hear about how much Dame wants to win but still staying in Portland. He may want to win and win in Portland but that ain't happening, the cap situation is bad and the window is closed. Let us know you are happy not winning and being mediocre in Portland.

And the stigma of going to another team, winning a Title and being "diminish" by fans isn't nearly what it was in the old days (LeBron put and end to a lot of that, which is a good thing IMO) unless you are joining a 73 win team, in which case I might be first in line diminishing your Title.

The same stuff you’re saying about Dame, was being said about Giannis. Giannis was saying the same thing as Dame and the same stuff about Portland was being said about Bucks. But of course because he won a ring, we forget that ever happened.

As for the 2nd part, I wouldn’t say Lebron put an end to it, I think it’ll depend on the player and how much we like them. Mostly everyone loved the Giannis story and journey last year(if you’re a die hard Lebron fan, you probably got tired of hearing about it, especially the whole “Giannis didn’t have to team up with anyone to win, he stuck it out thru the bad!” narrative that was being spun). If the Nets ever win a title, I’m already prepared for the takes about Harden regardless of how he plays.

[Master Live 013]

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I mean Giannis is/was on a team that finished 1st in the East 2 years in a row and 3rd last year, winning MVP's, so him getting flak was completely deserved and then he won; so all of that talk ended, as it should be.

The Blazers are going nowhere, they suck, Dame ain't winning a Title there unless they bottom out, Dame stays and wins in his mid to late 30's. Or he could ask to be traded to the Sixers and if he wins in Philly there won't be much talk about "him teaming up" will Embiid unless people think Dame should win a Title all by himself.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

No disagreements about Giannis individually.

I’m not gonna say Portland is doomed for long term mediocrity especially now where it doesn’t take much for a team to go with no flexibility to have some(This is not me saying they will, I legit don’t know. We all thought Boston would’ve had another ring by now)

If he decides to stay there long term and never wins a ring, I’m not going to look at his career any differently/funny, he’ll still be in the HOF and known as one of the greatest PGs to ever play. I imagine there will be others who do but they’re probably the same folks that still put weight/stock in the RINGZZZZ argument.

[illwill10]

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I think their best long term is to now shut down Lillard and allow him to come back fully healthy. They have to make moves now that set up future moves this offseason. If they could secure a lottery pick and Simons flourishes as a starter, pairing him and the lottery pick along with Reid could get them a good player. They would have to sell him on next season. They have to make a similar commitment to go all in like the Bucks did.

The only issue is that extension he's eligible to receive as early as this offseason. They have to decide whether to commit to that amount of money to a 35-36 Lillard

[georgiafan]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Portland getting the 8th seed and losing out on a lottery pick is only going to make them worse in the long run. Then they have to either lose or pay Roco, Nurkic and Simons this summer.

[illwill10]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Portland getting the 8th seed and losing out on a lottery pick is only going to make them worse in the long run. Then they have to either lose or pay Roco, Nurkic and Simons this summer.

Which is the worst case scenario. They cannot afford to lose Simons. It's a problem poor roster construction. To be in this situation where they are still over the cap if their FAs walk, only 2 young quality players, and a remaining roster thar isn't a fit.