2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[ProfessaPackMan]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Imagine having such a huge ego that you’re primary goal is just to “win” a trade in the eyes of the bloggers and TV pundits, Instead of actually doing what’s best for your team, given the current situation.

All this for a player who supposedly isn’t that good, can’t shoot and can’t play in the 4th quarter of games.

Edit: You can’t claim that you’re in “win now” mode but still worrying about trying to win “in the long term” either because you can’t do both, just like you can’t halfway tank. You’re either all in or you’re not.

[ojandpizza]

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No it's not lol. Not when said PG is leading the league in turnovers and averaging a little under 5 per game and most importantly there are better deals out there to be made. What does Westbrook do for the long term future of the Sixers? Hell what does he do for them now? The Lakers are barely a playoff team and he's taking it in the teeth as the biggest reason for that. THT might eventually be a solid piece but haven't people already started falling out of love with him in LA? Nunn is also guy.

For the record that's a trade that has .000000001% chance of even happening so this is just all hypothetical banter, I'm just not on the train that believes Westbrook doesn't make teams better. Sure the Lakers are a disaster right now but that's a whole bag of issues all rolled up together and Russ is just the media scapegoat. I'm also well aware that it's only Pack and myself who didn't get tickets for that Westbrook ***** train as well lol... So my perspective of him isn't just some guy who gets turnovers.

Realistically talking Lakers, I don't think they make a big move. I don't think they necessarily should either. I don't think getting Grant or Turner which are the only "rumors" that seem to have any traction are the best moves for them. On court I believe they are like a +10 playing AD, Bron, Russ together without DJ or Howard. And they have gained traction with Bron as the 5 without AD. I think it's in their best interest to see what a line-up of AD, Bron, Westbrook and whatever wing duo works best (likely THT and Monk) looks like when they also have Nunn back to play 6th man..

From there I think they move on from some of these guys who will just never have a role. DJ, Bazemore, Ellington, maybe even Ariza. Some 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 traade where the Lakers send out a 2nd rounder to facilitate. Get back a player who could actually contribute even a small role for them and open a roster spot for the buyout market.

Hollinger suggests not long ago that the Lakers should be making calls on guys like Marcus Smart, Norman Powell, Derrick White.. And I agree that if they do make a move it would be something along those lines because that is where they need help. White is a bit redundant if they are keeping Monk in this larger role but it's also worth noting that he's under contract for 4 years and Monk isn't.

Realistically they need a defender who just is a better player than AB. if teams actually have interest in THT I think him for a more proven player in that regard is the upgrade to make if they even trade a player who currently contributes.

As for Philly I don't' think they should sit on Simmons all year long and I also don't think their end game should be acquiring picks. Not sure how much of them you have followed lately but they are now 5th in the East, 1 game behind Milwaukee, 2 games behind the Nets, just 4 games behind the Bulls for first. That is with zero games from Ben, 11 missed games from Joel.. They have won 71% of games Joel has played, in other words with him they have played at a number 1 seed in the East number 3 seed overall (behind GS and Pho) level this season. They absolutely want to make improvements while this Joel window is open and get back pieces that help them win now.

Is that Russ? Probably not what they want obviously I was just going with the post before that mentioned it. That said Russ has paired well with bigs and scorers in the past, he facilitates, rebounds, scores much like Ben and I could see both Joel and Maxey still flourishing next to him. Not saying they want to move Russ for Ben, but if this moved into some 4-5 team deal and they get back all the pieces they want in a trade while moving off of Harris, I could see them taking back Russ if that was required to make the salaries work. Lot's of ifs in all that but I don't think it's THAT far fetched because Philly has no reason to be searching for picks or young guys just to get the "better" trade long term 4 years down the line if they are wanting to win right now. Another pro-Doc benefit is that type of move shifts Maxey or Curry to a 6th man role, a position Doc loves to be in with guys like Lou and Jamal in the past.

Also while Russ isn't an expiring contract he is next season which would get them off that money in roughly the same amount of time as waiting all the way until next years trade deadline just hanging on to Ben. And Russ technically does have a player option. Not saying he would turn down 47 million but if the right 4-year 20 a year came along guaranteeing him 80 he might. He sees his value dwindling, crazier **** has happened than guys securing more guaranteed money over more years.

Completely making **** up but say Indy, Philly, Lakers, Hawks all went in on a trade. Do you think Philly would nix a trade receiving Westbrook if it landed them LeVert and Collins, or Levert, Warren, Reddish, THT? I think in scenarios like that there are plenty of avenues where it makes sense for them. Even if they kept Westbrook for next season they could be done after that. They would still owe Tobias Harris 39 million the year after that, which is worse, if they were to keep him.

Regardless I don't think the Lakers facilitate that type of move even if they should simply because it takes them back to where they were pre-Westbrook trade. I think the pride factor will keep them from saying "hey we shouldn't have made that trade" but in theory they could take back a contract like Gallo or Tobias to facilitate Philly getting pieces they want, ATL getting Ben like they want, and Pacers jumpstarting their rebuild like they want. Throw in teams like Pistons or Kings as well. But that does leave them most likely taking back role players and bad contracts, something that might actually make them better if they fix holes in the process but they likely just wouldn't do being the Lakers.

[illwill10]

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Imagine having such a huge ego that you’re primary goal is just to “win” a trade in the eyes of the bloggers and TV pundits, Instead of actually doing what’s best for your team, given the current situation.

All this for a player who supposedly isn’t that good, can’t shoot and can’t play in the 4th quartet of games.

That's the issue. How often does a team trading a star player "win" the deal. Most of these star trades involve a team the trading team going towards a rebuild, not wanting to maintain contender status.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

That's the issue. How often does a team trading a star player "win" the deal. Most of these star trades involve a team the trading team going towards a rebuild, not wanting to maintain contender status.

I feel like we won’t know who “won” a deal or if everyone benefitted from it until a few years down the line.

Rockets-Nets-Cavs-Pacers deal from last year is a prime example of where nobody will know who “won” or if everyone came out good from it until a few years down the line.

[ojandpizza]

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I feel like we won’t know who “won” a deal or if everyone benefitted from it until a few years down the line.

Rockets-Nets-Cavs-Packers deal from last year is a prime example of where nobody will know who “won” or if everyone came out good from it until a few years down the line.

Is this where they almost traded Rodgers?

[illwill10]

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I feel like we won’t know who “won” a deal or if everyone benefitted from it until a few years down the line.

Rockets-Nets-Cavs-Packers deal from last year is a prime example of where nobody will know who “won” or if everyone came out good from it until a few years down the line.

I agree. Did NO win the Anthony Davis deal? I wouldn't say they lost since they have BI, but wouldn't say they won. Did the Spurs win the Kawhi trade? Had DeRozan for a few years. OKC has potential to win the Paul George trade if picks pan out.

It's hard to "win" trades when the star requests a trade. Rockets could have had Simmons, Thybulle and maybe Maxey last year. That deal was pretty much "agreed on" to the point Ben was told about it. But the Rockets weren't going to do Morey any favors after his departure. Its funny to imagine what they could have gotten for Simmons last year if Morey wasn't so dead set on Harden.

[illwill10]

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But in general, I do think after January 15th(when the rest of the trade eligible players become available) that we'll start seeing trades within that 4 week span before the deadline. The main reason why is because I do think/hopefully that are getting over the hump of the amount of teams going through the massive amount of players entering Health and Safety protocols. Last I heard, NBA was under 50 players on hardship deals. I think by late January or Early February(hopefully), that it'll get to the point where it is just a few players here and there sporadically entering H&S Protocols. While things are somewhat starting to get better, it's still difficult to pull certain deals when you're undermanned.

[georgiafan]

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@wojespn

ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade.

New York is including Kevin Knox in trade to Atlanta, sources tell ESPN.

[ojandpizza]

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@wojespn

ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade.

New York is including Kevin Knox in trade to Atlanta, sources tell ESPN.

Two players who both could use a fresh start IMO but I don't really see how this benefits Atlanta.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Love the trade for us, doesn't make sense for Atlanta. His market must have dried up quite a bit since the off-season.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Do I have to make a truce with TMagic now? [emoji848]

[illwill10]

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"Denver's Bol Bol trade with Detroit has been voided, sources tell ESPN. The Pistons didn't pass Bol on his physical with team."

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Two players who both could use a fresh start IMO but I don't really see how this benefits Atlanta.

Basically just getting a 1st round pick for someone they were going to let walk anyways.

Hope it works out for the Knicks, but he's been a mostly bad player everywhere he's played.

[georgiafan]

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I don't like this move for Atlanta I assume $ was behind a lot of it. Cam is the kind of guy thats going to want 20ish million per year. I think he is also a clutch client. Someone should give you a expiring and a future 1st for Bogdan I would have done that.

I guess the thinking for Atlanta is getting the trade asset for a future trade down the line. Still would rather keep the 23 year old who is capable of defending and move Bogdon or Gallo. This isn't the final trade Atlanta will make so i'll wait and see how it plays out before I fully judge it.

Cam is a frustrating player and has flashed real 2 way potential with size. If you ask me to project if he ever reaches his full potential, I would guess no. Because he is definitely a me first player over the team and has issues are more mental issues like confidence and effort. It would scare to death to trade him for a expiring and pick in the teens. Because if he puts it all together consistently, he is all star type of guy.

Love the trade for us, doesn't make sense for Atlanta. His market must have dried up quite a bit since the off-season.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Do I have to make a truce with TMagic now? [emoji848]

That’s TMagic boy or something?