1/11 - 1/24 Games Discussion Thread

[jeebs9]

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LaMelo Ball show time. Block on one end and then the behind the back pass in transition!! [emoji102]

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/1485409356573294601?t=r-Ij4MZk61c-O9h7iuXuhw&s=19

[Master Live 013]

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These Heat uniforms are alright.

[Speedy]

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LaMelo Ball show time. Block on one end and then the behind the back pass in transition!! [emoji102]

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/1...9h7iuXuhw&s=19

I LOVE this throwback court.

[ojandpizza]

1/11 - 1/24 Games Discussion Thread

I really still feel this play's a tough one when it comes to levying punishment. I've hacked the bejesus out of some folks on the fast break in my day and even when I'm pissed, I'm generally not banking on contact with their arms resulting in them heading face first into the ground. Generally, going for the arms—not the midsection or legs—has been the "safe" way to stop a basket, resulting in a lot of nothing.

The grab, in this instance, was unnecessary and warranted the ruling it received. But I'm not sure I'm ready to sit here and act like this is the most irresponsible play I've ever seen (not that you're personally saying that, Simmonds).

This is essentially what I was saying. Was the whole thing excessive and worth the flagrant 2? Absolutely, especially given the fall.. but do I think Allen was just approaching this with some “if he dies he dies” mentality? No because in other 99.999999% of instances going at a players arms doesn’t typically ricochet them face first into the floor. I feel like that aspect of it is just being ignored here because somebody got hurt, but I get it.

Regardless I think I saw 1 game suspension, I think that’s pretty just and indicates the league also realizes this wasn’t nearly as malicious as the internet reactions are making it out to be.

[ojandpizza]

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They stumbled upon something that was working by having LeBron at the 5. Then they moved him for Dwight.

Vogel is hopeless.

Chicago have 3 team assists to 12 turnovers at the half.


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Internet “rumors” claim this was Kurt Rambis’s doing. Forcing Vogel to play bigger and why rumors of his job being in jeopardy were circulating. Not a good look.

[DamnYanks2]

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Bulls just falling apart. Need Lavine back in the worst way. Vuc 4-19. Can't have that from your center against the sorry *** Magic.



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[jeebs9]

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Bulls just falling apart. Need Lavine back in the worst way. Vuc 4-19. Can't have that from your center against the sorry *** Magic.



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I saw LaVine is coming back soon. Maybe their next game

[jeebs9]

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Crowd pleaser Suggs

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1485424735353655298?t=tmNcTsjjC44blZM_xL_hDg&s=19

They got a good one there

[ggsimmonds]

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This is essentially what I was saying. Was the whole thing excessive and worth the flagrant 2? Absolutely, especially given the fall.. but do I think Allen was just approaching this with some “if he does he dies” mentality? No because in other 99.999999% of instances going at a players arms doesn’t typically ricochet them face first into the floor. I feel like that aspect of it is just being ignored here because somebody got hurt, but I get it.

Regardless I think I saw 1 game suspension, I think that’s pretty just and indicates the league also realizes this wasn’t nearly as malicious as the internet reactions are making it out to be.

Usually when you go at a players arms you go through the arms, you don't latch on and go into a 180 spin to create a screwdriver effect.

If he simply went thru Caruso's arms and that happened to result in a rough fall that would be different. It was the grab and the spin that makes this different. You don't do something like that unless you are disregarding the safety of the other player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYDh59ade48

Pause it at 50 seconds. Its the 50 and 51st second that sets this apart. At 50 seconds its a normal hard foul. But at 51 seconds you see the effect that the forearm grab had on Caruso and how it completely altered his body angle.

[ojandpizza]

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how it completely altered his body angle.

It did, and the result was incredibly unfortunate. I just don’t believe that means there was some split second instinct of “**** his well-being” intent behind it. But we can agree to disagree on that.

[ggsimmonds]

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It did, and the result was incredibly unfortunate. I just don’t believe that means there was some split second instinct of “**** his well-being” intent behind it. But we can agree to disagree on that.

We can agree to disagree, but I do want to clarify one thing that may bridge our gap. There wasn't a split second instinct of "to hell with his well-being."
Rather throughout the entire play, Allen's mindset was "Caruso cannot score."
It may be a subtle distinction but usually the split second instinct is the opposite -- "I should let up"

In other words, Caruso's well-being -- either protective or malicious -- never entered Allen's mind.

[ojandpizza]

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Also, in Blazers talk, Anfernee Simons is in his 4th pro season now and is getting his first real starter minutes and taking advantage. He’s 22 now (came in as prep to pro) so is the same as Dame and CJ were when they entered the league.

He’s not Dame and the sample size is small but promising, but does his performance so far this year affect how Portland look at any offers for Dame or CJ?


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In my opinion yes, but with Dame being out all year it’s obviously not that simple at his point.

To me he’s a player who has all the same strengths as Dame. Swapping Dame for him realistically alter their team much if they used Dame to upgrade elsewhere.

Obviously I’m not saying he’s Dame, he’s not, but as far as making this team better/worse I don’t think the fall off would be massive in his overall impact.

[roadman]

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Just asking a question here.

Did the NBA set a precedent with Allen or is this fine. So, far,

no injury with Hunter. I think the NBA gave Allen a one day suspension

because his hit caused injury.

Oubre Jr kicked out with a flagrant 2.

https://twitter.com/HocsBasketball/status/1485435768315301888

Oubre Jr said he made a basketball play.

[3304Life]

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The difference is, Allen went up with one arm, the ball was long gone, and then grabbed Caruso with his other arm. At that point it’s clearly not a play at the ball and is a clear attempt to endanger his opponent.

Oubre’s foul was bad, he’s hooked the arm and it’s a bad play, but one that could conceivably be a play on the ball. You can make that case for Allen with his first arm but not the second.

Also, you love the benefit of the doubt when you’re the kind of player he is. He might not be an outright dirty player but he has a justified reputation.


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[ojandpizza]

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the ball was long gone, and then grabbed Caruso with his other arm.

If this part was even remotely true though then I wouldn’t have ever engaged with this back and forth, but it’s not. The ball was never gone, this is midway through Grayson swiping with the second arm and the ball is still in Caruso’s hands. Grayson has his right arm held, and Caruso still looks to have a shot at finishing with his left. Probably the sole reason Grayson even made a swipe at the 2nd arm at all.



By the time he actually makes contact with the second arm the ball appears to be starting to become dislodged. But in the moment when he decided to swing with the second arm Caruso still had the ball and looks to have it in both hands even. Again that screen grab is halfway through the 2nd swipe. That’s been the entire point of my argument from the jump and why I believed he was actually trying to make a play on the ball/prevent the And-1. Had the ball truly been dislodged with the first block attempt/foul and he just swung again for the **** of it I obviously wouldn’t be on here engaging in any of this back and forth.

I believe Oubre’s was a play on the ball as well, but being completely realistic both of Grayson’s swipes were actually “closer” to the ball than Oubre’s who just swung and hooked the elbow. I do believe he was winding for a block regardless but it’s crazy to say the guy who actually came closer to making a play on the ball wasn’t the one going for the ball.