3/8 - 3/21 Games Discussion Thread

[Majingir]

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After tonight we could see:
Raptors in sole posession of 6th in the east

Lakers tied with Pelicans for the 9 seed in the west

Pacers or Rockets eliminated from the playoffs


And something I dont believe has been mentioned, the top 7 teams in the west have worst case clinched a playoff play in spot. Only 2 in the east have clinched a worst case play in scenario.

[jeebs9]

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It's a super talented league. Might be the most talent ever. It's ridiculous how gifted offensively players are now and it's not easy.

But they need to bring back hand checking lol. Gotta give something back to the defense man.

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Well look at that.

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1504630441369817088?t=zxapKhkLmNIGMNbIYh4kwg&s=19

[ojandpizza]

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Call it like they did the first week of the season, that should do it.

Right? I can't even really remember another time when stuff that was flying early on this year was the norm. Sure there were more hard fouls and stuff way back but they were still called fouls and players got free-throws. So many non whistles to start this season.

Fixing moving screens would go a long way too. Guys just carry dudes out to half court when they hit them with a screen nowadays lol. It’s hard to get over a screen when the screen starts at the elbow and ends beyond the 3 point line.





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I think almost all calls are largely over-exaggerated. If you watch games you still see hand-checks every night. Missed travels and ****, that's always been a thing, etc. Sure there is a difference, but the actual difference vs what the difference is made out to be in discussions like this is always blown so far out of proportion.



But THIS that you are talking about is the one thing that I see a big difference in. Far too many moving screens. Some of that is all the switching and guys not trying to fight through the screens, but still most guys don't even try to set a proper screen/come off the screen properly.

[bigeastbumrush]

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It's a super talented league. Might be the most talent ever. It's ridiculous how gifted offensively players are now and it's not easy.

But they need to bring back hand checking lol. Gotta give something back to the defense man.

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Not even close.

The league has finally turned into Mike D’Antoni’s wet dream where 90% of the league runs the exact same stuff.

Granted, the bigs are exceptional and pretty much everyone has range.

But it’s quite easy to get off shots when no one can touch you.

Freaking rip-thru foul calls can get you 2 shots at the line.

No hand-checking requires even more weak side help leaving the corners wide open for 3s.

Imagine watching any other sport where everyone ran the same plays.

[DamnYanks2]

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Not even close.

The league has finally turned into Mike D’Antoni’s wet dream where 90% of the league runs the exact same stuff.

Granted, the bigs are exceptional and pretty much everyone has range.

But it’s quite easy to get off shots when no one can touch you.

Freaking rip-thru foul calls can get you 2 shots at the line.

No hand-checking requires even more weak side help leaving the corners wide open for 3s.

Imagine watching any other sport where everyone ran the same plays.

The biggest issue I have is the lack of defense for perimeter shooting. How many times I watch teams just want to trade baskets. Then it ratchets up some later on in the 4th quarter.

There's never a real effort to push guys off the 3 pt line. Granted you really can't do much in general to defend a shooter anyway.

But the 3 pointer changed the game. The way it's used. I believe that to be the biggest factor. Now we are seeing these hybrid players. And most coaches know you don't clog the paint anymore except for College basketball coaches who still use the same outdated schemes.

But you are right it's a copycat league. I've wanted the 3 pt shot gone for a long time. It killed the real strategy of the game imo.

Still I love the league. It's fun to watch and the talent is insane. But it's obviously geared to be an offensive show. That's what they wanted.



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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think we’re just getting older and it’s not really the NBA we want to enjoy as much as we should.

[ojandpizza]

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I think we’re just getting older and it’s not really the NBA we want to enjoy as much as we should.

This, and it took me a long time to not feel this way too so I get it 100%.

To be completely honest it’s when I started re-watching old games. Not highlights, not by memory, but re-watching that changed my tune a bit.

[ggsimmonds]

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Talent wise I think the league may be a bit more top heavy with more specialist players than it was in the past. There's quite a few guys who have one skill only (shooting 3s) and thats literally all they bring to the table but in today's NBA that is enough.

[georgiafan]

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John Collins is basically out for the year so its time to root for Atlanta to not make it out of the play in. It will be intresting to see if the rookie Jalen Johnson sees the court.

[ojandpizza]

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Talent wise I think the league may be a bit more top heavy with more specialist players than it was in the past. There's quite a few guys who have one skill only (shooting 3s) and thats literally all they bring to the table but in today's NBA that is enough.

Ehh we’ve had that in the past with defenders, rebounders, guards who could only get the ball into the post.. nothing new IMO.

Edit: We even had an entire decade basically where you didn’t even have to have a single skill. You just needed to be too big to constantly overpower. Lol

[ggsimmonds]

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Ehh we’ve had that in the past with defenders, rebounders, guards who could only get the ball into the post.. nothing new IMO.

Edit: We even had an entire decade basically where you didn’t even have to have a single skill. You just needed to be too big to constantly overpower. Lol

Overall the talent level is no deeper than it was in the past, its just arranged differently

[ProfessaPackMan]

3/8 - 3/21 Games Discussion Thread

Seth is back tonight for the Nets against Portland.



Also, I know this is old but every time I see this gif, I can’t stop laughing lmao

[ojandpizza]

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Overall the talent level is no deeper than it was in the past, its just arranged differently

Personally I do think it’s a bit better, but that fluctuates more so up and down than it does just being “past vs present” there was tons of talent when I was a kid, what I felt like was a sizable dip in the late 90’s-early to mid 2000s, and I feel like tons of talent again now and over the past few years. But these sorta “era” debates never go anywhere so no real point in arguing it much further than saying that’s my opinion on it.

I will say in terms of your “can only shoot” argument I think that one skillset does allow for a bit more ceiling level talent than other one skillsets from years past. Hard to explain what I mean in a short enough post but to use a player example say Duncan Robinson vs Tony Allen (and obviously I love Tony Allen) but it’s more likely on any given night than Duncan Robinson will look like Reggie Miller than Tony Allen will provide any extra value outside his norm.. and I feel like todays NBA has an abundance of that, where as depending on how far back you want to go some teams had half a roster full of Tony Allen’s (but worse obviously).

And I’m not insinuating examples like that only exist now, but I do think they are far more common now. Not many teams waist their last 2-3 roster spots on a worthless body just because he’s 7ft tall anymore. And by default I do think the average player in todays NBA has to be more versatile. You almost have to have some degree of shooting ability and have to be able to cover twice the ground (at least) defensively. I remember it being a sight to see a guy like Robinson or Shaq take the ball the length of the floor, I’d be more surprised now finding a big who couldn’t.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I think the TMac, Vince Carter, Kobe era was the peak as far as overall balanced talent goes.

Those super athletic wiry 6’6-6’8 guys who couldn’t be stopped but you also had freak PFs like Tim Duncan, KG and Dirk plus PGs who knew were tough as nails trying to guard like Chris Paul, Marbury, etc.

Right before the back to the basket bigs were starting to get phased out.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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