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[Majingir]

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Clippers are interested in Lowry and VanVleet.

Drag Gasol out of retirement and add Ibaka and they'll have the 2019 Raptors in 2023, which isn't as good as the 2019 Raptors.

[King_B_Mack]

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[Majingir]

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All star reserve draft this year will be happening right before the actual game (almost like a schoolyard pick).

I wouldn't mind it on the Friday before (maybe during halftime of the rising stars game), but right before seems a bit rushed.

Part of the fun of the weekend is looking forward to potential showdowns or teamups.

Not as important to fans, but I also wonder how this impacts jersey sales. You don't even know if the jersey of the guy you're buying will even be the jersey he's wearing in the game.

[bigeastbumrush]

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All star reserve draft this year will be happening right before the actual game (almost like a schoolyard pick).

I wouldn't mind it on the Friday before (maybe during halftime of the rising stars game), but right before seems a bit rushed.

Part of the fun of the weekend is looking forward to potential showdowns or teamups.

Not as important to fans, but I also wonder how this impacts jersey sales. You don't even know if the jersey of the guy you're buying will even be the jersey he's wearing in the game.

[Junior Moe]

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A couple days late but I just saw Steve Kerr's comment on resting players. It just sounds tone deaf to me. I get resting players and protecting the investment. But you have to respect fan time and money. Especially the ones who pay to be in the arena. I go to 6-10 Hawks games every season and luckily we haven't missed any stars who weren't actually hurt.

The NBA nor the NBAPA wants to lose the revenue from 82 games. I don't even see that as a real option. I see talk of playing 72 or 68 games. However, I do think the NBA and NBAPA should work together and implement a policy where healthy players have to play road games. It could be a load management game where they only play 10 mins in the 1st and sit the rest of the game. But at least give the fans who paid to see Steph or Kawhi something.

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[Majingir]

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A couple days late but I just saw Steve Kerr's comment on resting players. It just sounds tone deaf to me. I get resting players and protecting the investment. But you have to respect fan time and money. Especially the ones who pay to be in the arena. I go to 6-10 Hawks games every season and luckily we haven't missed any stars who weren't actually hurt.

The NBA nor the NBAPA wants to lose the revenue from 82 games. I don't even see that as a real option. I see talk of playing 72 or 68 games. However, I do think the NBA and NBAPA should work together and implement a policy where healthy players have to play road games. It could be a load management game where they only play 10 mins in the 1st and sit the rest of the game. But at least give the fans who paid to see Steph or Kawhi something.

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I feel like no matter how many games you have, teams/players will always do "load management" in some form.

If the season is longer but just no back to backs, would that make a difference?

[illwill10]

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I feel like no matter how many games you have, teams/players will always do "load management" in some form.

If the season is longer but just no back to backs, would that make a difference?

I wouldn't mind even just expanding the season by a week or so. Even if it doesn't eliminate back to backs, it should eliminate a few of them. I want to say there is about 12-15 back to backs. If you could expand the season to cut it in half, that could make a difference. I don't know if you could eliminate back to backs, without adding a couple weeks in the season.

Even then, you'd probably see load management in some form. I only been to one game. But, I would hate to plan out a trip to a game then to find out the stars are sitting for a planned rest day.

[Junior Moe]

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I feel like no matter how many games you have, teams/players will always do "load management" in some form.

If the season is longer but just no back to backs, would that make a difference?

I don't think so. Like you said, teams will load manage in some capacity. And I get that. The NBA season is long. Just make it so that it isn't a middle finger to the folks who have paid to see the stars when they come to town. Load manage full games at home. The home fans get dozens of games to see their stars. These are professional athletes. I don't think it's asking too much to see Steph or LeBron for a few minutes when they come to town. It's not like actually playing in 82 games is some herculean feat that hasn't been done before. It was done before with supposed lesser athletes.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Load Management is here to stay, regardless if they keep it at 82 games or break it down to 20 games. And the folks that are still pining for the days of when players treated all 82 games like Game 7 of the Finals need to also accept that those days are over.

To quote the great Slim Charles: “Thing about the old days is they the old days”.

Does is suck as a fan? Sure, I’d be a little upset too. But unfortunately, we’re at a point now where if you’re looking for a game to hit up or want to see a certain teams or players…you pretty much have to keep in mind that it’s a possibility you won’t be able to see that player, especially while these B2Bs are still going on. Sucks but it’s something you have to keep in mind when looking at the schedule.

Personally, I would never be ok with the letting the league dictate when my team can rest/not rest guys.


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[Majingir]

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I wouldn't mind even just expanding the season by a week or so. Even if it doesn't eliminate back to backs, it should eliminate a few of them. I want to say there is about 12-15 back to backs. If you could expand the season to cut it in half, that could make a difference. I don't know if you could eliminate back to backs, without adding a couple weeks in the season.

Even then, you'd probably see load management in some form. I only been to one game. But, I would hate to plan out a trip to a game then to find out the stars are sitting for a planned rest day.

It's 12-15 back to backs this season.

Season started October 19th.

If you start the season the first week of October, that's probably 6 fewer back to backs if things get spaced out. So 6-9 back to backs instead, which averages out to about 1 a month.

I don't think so. Like you said, teams will load manage in some capacity. And I get that. The NBA season is long. Just make it so that it isn't a middle finger to the folks who have paid to see the stars when they come to town. Load manage full games at home. The home fans get dozens of games to see their stars. These are professional athletes. I don't think it's asking too much to see Steph or LeBron for a few minutes when they come to town. It's not like actually playing in 82 games is some herculean feat that hasn't been done before. It was done before with supposed lesser athletes.

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That's the bad part. Guys will always find ways to avoid it. Nothing you can really do anymore.

But it's worse in the day of premium ticket pricing based on opponents. Wanna pay to see LeBron and the Lakers? Tickets might start at something crazy like $150 for the cheap seats. Wait..LeBron isn't playing, that'll cost $60 instead now.

[ojandpizza]

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Too much money. You can’t really expect teams not to occasionally rest a guy when they have 100 million dollars invested in his future. And you can’t expect players to not take a rest day any time something feels off when staying right nets them another 100 million dollar deal coming soon.

Constantly trying to compare this to an era where a chunk of starters didn’t even make a million dollars a year vs now where the average salary is 10 mil for all players… of course you won’t get apples to apples. Nobody in here can tell me that if you’re a guy making 4 mil a year and you’re next contract extension is some 4 years 90 million deal and all you have to do is stay healthy and finish out the season playing the way you currently are that you’re risking anything at all. **** I’m sitting out with an ingrown hair just to be safe lol.

Regardless I don’t see this as a huge issue. It’s just another one of those things where it’s a 2/10 and people exaggerate it to be a 9/10. Just like the take foul, or when people acted like the entire league was pulling a James Harden/Rockets every night rather than treating them like the outliers they were.

Outside the Clippers what team is consistently resting their guys for no apparent reason outside of load management?

[dubcity]

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The problem with load management is eventually you're going to have to ramp it up in the playoffs. Putting players in bubble wrap might be a good long term contract decision, but who even cares if you never get a long playoff run out of the guy.

[georgiafan]

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Aren’t injuries up now since load management became a thing and less physical play then the old days?

[ojandpizza]

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Aren’t injuries up now since load management became a thing and less physical play then the old days?

I don’t know that injuries are up or if guys just play through things less than they used to in order to avoid the chance of making something worse. Which again it’s easier to make that decision when the money is this stupid. Both from the player and team standpoint. We’re also at a point now where it’s not just guards running and flying everywhere. League isn’t full of lumbering bigs and somewhat lumbering 4s. Most big men in todays game move like forwards of years past.

I know injuries were like the highest they’ve been since ‘08 or something a couple years ago, but both of those years could have easily just been flukes too. But just in general tons of dudes take off weeks for a sprained ankle now when they used to just play through it. So I’m not sure using “missed games” as a measurement for how many serious injuries we actually have now will be an apples to apples comparison because of that.

A guy like Grant Hill might have had a top tier career playing in todays NBA because he wouldn’t have played on his injured ankle, in contrast more bigs of years past might not have lasted as long if they had to move as much as todays bigs.

I may be way off, but it seems like people want to blame it on load management because they don’t like it more so than load management is actually the issue. But who knows. Pop was kinda the first to really use it, and he nearly had a 20-year championship window. It’s more league wide now, but also pretty sporadic. Clippers are really the only team to heavily use it, so if they are all healthy come playoff time does that make it hard to knock it? Also if they do this for 2-3 years and still can’t get healthy come playoff time does that prove it’s not working?

It’s just hard to answer because the occasional one game here for Joker, one here for Curry, one here for Bron, doesn’t really tell us anything. And if we are being realistic those are the games people get upset about. Nobody cares when Eric Gordon misses a game for knee soreness. And those same people will used AD’s missed games when it’s obvious he’s just made of glass, Kelly Oubre’s missed games who had a freak ligament tear in his hand not at all related to load management, as justification for this whole “more missed games = load management doesn’t work”.

Basically until somebody correlates guys who load manage with how much they miss with real injuries I don’t think we have an answer. Just using missed games in total doesn’t tell us anything, and some guys like AD and Kawhi aren’t going to be healthy regardless but people who are against load management are going to use them as examples when they probably shouldn’t to try and make their point.

[Junior Moe]

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Aren’t injuries up now since load management became a thing and less physical play then the old days?

KD and Stan Van Gundy had a back and forth on Twitter a few days ago about it. I don't know the numbers but it appears that on top of the bad optics, load management doesn't correlate to guys being any healthier now than back in the day before sports science was a thing.

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