NBA Off Topic Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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NBA Playgrounds was like Blue's Clues compared to those street games lol. I'm sure the NBA is just fine with us not getting any of those street games anymore. They want their league to be presented in as soft and PG a way as possible these days. Which is as at odds with actual urban basketball and that overall style. So we aren't allowed to have fun, basically.

Once the league got involved with Analytics and the bloggers/nerds start to get a microphone(Twitter basically)it was only a matter of time before they started to distance themselves from that era.

We’re pretty all around the same age range(30s-upper 30s) and as much as we probably won’t admit it now, especially since we view the game differently….we enjoyed that Streetball/ISO ball play during that time. We all enjoyed watching A.I, Tmac, Kobe, etc, get the ball and cook their defender one on one because that’s what WE were playing outside and coincidentally inside too, lol.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I understand your frustration with him continually speaking up, but it seems like he's gonna keep doing it.

People should either ignore him or let him speak (or repeat) his piece and move on.



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Honest question: Has MJ spoken up this many times about Pippen since The Last Dance or has he kept quiet for the most part?

[ojandpizza]

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That he was an a-hole is true yeah.

Still wanting for you to explain what made him selfish.

You saying he was padding stats rather then play for the win?



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I don’t think he was padding stats rather than trying to win. Sometimes the two aren’t excluded from one another. I think his number 1 goal was always to win from day 1. I do think at a certain point there was a shift in mindset for how he needed to play in order for them to win. Which I do think largely came with Phil.

Idk if “selfish” is quite the right word for it, but I do think in his younger years his idea of trying to win was more so “we have the best chance at winning if I’m scoring 40”. Which could be true, it’s not like those rosters pre-Phil, pre-developed Scottie and Grant were probably ever going to win anyways. Especially given their opponents.

But there were similarities to other players like Gervin, Kobe, AI, Russ in some of those years where the approach could be viewed a bit negatively in some ways. Even on the defensive end, he won DPOTY by gambling around like young Russ (probably shouldn’t have but still) racking up steels jumping passes and leaving his man to block bigs from behind.

There is always going to be two ways to view players in situations like that. On one hand the team stands little chance if the ball isn’t always in their hand, they aren’t taking the bulk of shots, they aren’t trying to force turnovers, etc. On the other hand we know that often times will put a low ceiling on your potential playing that way. We don’t have possession tracking dating back that far, but in a Kobe example even those ****ty teams he played for would have been statically better off with an open jumper from Smush Parker than a contested fade-a-way from Kobe, but we routinely watched him try to take it all on himself.

Could type a lot more on this in general, but even use LeBron as a comparison where lots of people felt he wasn’t selfish enough. Sorta the reverse example. But the reality is in neither situation were those teams going to win regardless, I think both guys leaned into what they felt gave them the best chance at succeeding. Both overachieved with *** teams early on. Neither walked into a Boston drafting Russell, Lakers drafting Magic, Celtics drafting Bird, Spurs drafting Duncan type of situation where they could immediate win rings if they lived up to the hype.

Does that make Scottie right? Idk he’s still an *******, but like JPosse said there is just enough truth to a lot of what he says that it’s hard to just write it all off on bitterness. He’s definitively bitter and we know that already, and like King said when has MJ ever done anything but praise Scottie? But from a pure basketball standpoint a lot of Pip’s points over these past few years haven’t been horrible takes, and we all know the next time he’s asked it’ll be the complete opposite of whatever he said the time before anyways lol. But the whole situation in general just feels like one of those we’ve got 4 different take-a-ways going on here and at the end of the day maybe there’s a bit of truth to all of them.

Regardless it seems Scottie is going to keep doing this, and just keep making himself look like an *******. Idk what he thinks he’s doing but I feel like it’s just going to make most people dislike him and be turned off from anything he has to say.

[ojandpizza]

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Honest question: Has MJ spoken up this many times about Pippen since The Last Dance or has he kept quiet for the most part?

I don’t think MJ has said much at all since then, and like King said historically speaking has always had positive things to say about Pippen.

Whether all that holds true when a mic isn’t in his face who knows, but from what we actually see/hear this is seemingly just a one-way beef.

[King_B_Mack]

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Honest question: Has MJ spoken up this many times about Pippen since The Last Dance or has he kept quiet for the most part?

Michael hasn’t even addressed it. Any of the times over the years that Pip has come out against Michael he has never addressed it nor spoken an ill word of Pip. I think after the stuff last year when Pip was shilling his book and liquor there were some reports that Michael is done with him and that he’d gone too far and scorched that bridge, but even then he still didn’t say a word about the man which is better than me cause I’d have crushed him every chance I got after all that.

I don’t know how anybody can even make an argument that this is anything other than being bitter and jealous. Michael was a jerk 30 years ago. Pip didn’t have a word to say about it and stayed here despite that. Pip is delusional because he thinks he should be looked at as Michael’s equal or better. He’s not doing this on the virtue that Michael was some dick in the locker room, this is all because he thinks he should have been the biggest star of that team. Dude is a hall of famer, named one of the 50/75 greatest players in the history of the league, he was brought in as an ambassador of the Bulls and at one time was Michael Reinsdorf’s advisor. Back when they were playing and winning championships Michael would say in the moment that they’re celebrating on the court and in the parades/rallies that he doesn’t win those championships, he doesn’t see the success he sees without Scottie Pippen. The man made Jerry Krause nix a Tracy McGrady for Pippen trade because he told him he needed Pippen with him and this dude is crying 30 years later that he’s an unsung hero and doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the Bulls success.


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[ggsimmonds]

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I understand your frustration with him continually speaking up, but it seems like he's gonna keep doing it.

People should either ignore him or let him speak (or repeat) his piece and move on.



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There is a third option thats just as valid as the other 2. Call him out on his ho-tendencies

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Pippen is like 55 years old out here attention whoring, that man is unhinged lmao

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Fun fact. Since LeBron is the barometer here that Scottie is once again bringing up in all this. Michael in his rookie year averaged more points, assists, rebounds, steals and blocks in his rookie year with this roster than LeBron did with this roster






But one guy was “a horrible, selfish” player and the other wasn’t. He basically played 2 years before Pippen came along because he missed majority of his second season with the broken foot. What exactly was he supposed to be doing with those rosters his first 3 years?




Yeah Pip was notoriously bad on not tipping to the point that he would stop other people with him from tipping too. He also treated staff like **** often, but here we are 30 years later and he’s the beacon of goodness throwing stones at selfish jerks. Give me a break. Despite all of that Chicago has still loved this dude and celebrated him but this dude out here talking about he’s an unsung hero lmao.


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wow, Wes Matthews really has been around forever

[ojandpizza]

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Pippen is like 55 years old out here attention whoring, that man is unhinged lmao

This is true, but also in many of these situations (especially this one) he’s also been basically misquoted and had the context stripped from what he said to make him out to be a bad guy..

On one hand, he’s on a podcast and being asked questions and responding to them. This has been made out like dude took to IG live and just popped up on video to slander MJ for no reason lol.

Also people just clipped the “MJ was horrible” part to make it sound like he’s basically saying MJ just sucked at basketball before he got there. Which isn’t exactly true. The question was asked to him basically where does LeBron rank in the GOAT argument. And Scottie’s whole point was basically that he doesn’t like labeling a GOAT because basketball is a team game, not a one person game. It’s worded poorly (but have you ever heard Scottie talk about anything lol) but he was basically saying as good as MJ was until they became a team they didn’t win. Less 1 on 1 play, less bad shots, playing more as a team.

MJ says he’s doesn’t win without Scottie, Scottie is saying the same thing essentially but it’s slander if he says it lol. I guess he could have added something like “and we don’t win without MJ” but I mean that’s a given. He also brought Jordan up in the GOAT question, at one point calls him the greatest scorer ever, names him when asked about his Mount Rushmore list, and says that he thinks the Bulls win 8 straight if MJ doesn’t retire. All in the same podcast. It’s not like he hopped on air said MJ sucks without me (and literally meant it that way) and then hopped off the mic. It’s an hour and 25 minutes long lol.

Stacey King has tried explaining this on his Twitter feed (it was on his podcast), obviously nobody cares, but the whole context of it all is lost when you just clip the quote to “MJ was horrible”..

[jeebs9]

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wow, Wes Matthews really has been around forever

Ahhhh isn't that his father ...

[ojandpizza]

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Ahhhh isn't that his father ...

Yep, it is lol

[jeebs9]

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Yep, it is lol

It's really sad. I only know the difference between them because I know their birthdays [emoji23].

[ojandpizza]

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It's really sad. I only know the difference between them because I know their birthdays [emoji23].

**** I only know he exists because he was on some of those last showtime championship runs with Magic and Kareem.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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This is true, but also in many of these situations (especially this one) he’s also been basically misquoted and had the context stripped from what he said to make him out to be a bad guy..

On one hand, he’s on a podcast and being asked questions and responding to them. This has been made out like dude took to IG live and just popped up on video to slander MJ for no reason lol.

Also people just clipped the “MJ was horrible” part to make it sound like he’s basically saying MJ just sucked at basketball before he got there. Which isn’t exactly true. The question was asked to him basically where does LeBron rank in the GOAT argument. And Scottie’s whole point was basically that he doesn’t like labeling a GOAT because basketball is a team game, not a one person game. It’s worded poorly (but have you ever heard Scottie talk about anything lol) but he was basically saying as good as MJ was until they became a team they didn’t win. Less 1 on 1 play, less bad shots, playing more as a team.

MJ says he’s doesn’t win without Scottie, Scottie is saying the same thing essentially but it’s slander if he says it lol. I guess he could have added something like “and we don’t win without MJ” but I mean that’s a given. He also brought Jordan up in the GOAT question, at one point calls him the greatest scorer ever, names him when asked about his Mount Rushmore list, and says that he thinks the Bulls win 8 straight if MJ doesn’t retire. All in the same podcast. It’s not like he hopped on air said MJ sucks without me (and literally meant it that way) and then hopped off the mic. It’s an hour and 25 minutes long lol.

Stacey King has tried explaining this on his Twitter feed (it was on his podcast), obviously nobody cares, but the whole context of it all is lost when you just clip the quote to “MJ was horrible”..

OJ, I don’t give two ****s about Scottie saying “MJ Bad Arghhhh”. Those comments don’t annoy me.

He’s been doing this for like 5 years straight while saying the same **** in that time span. He’s already established that Jordan is an ***hole(Breaking some news there, Scottie!)and that he thinks Lebron is the better player and person.

Ok cool, so now what? You(Scottie)gonna tell us something that we don’t know already or you gonna keep repeating the same stuff every time an MJ related question is asked?

He’s old enough to know how this **** works(especially since he used to work for ESPN)and that anything HE says about MJ is going to get attention. He can easily say “No Comment” or say “Y’all already know my feelings on that man so it’s no need to keep asking me”. Nobody on these shows are putting guns in this man’s face and forcing him to answer just like WE aren’t pressing stories about how bad of a person/teammate MJ is.

Your post would be fine if this is/was a 1-2x time thing. But this is becoming a yearly thing, which is why I said it’s attention whoring. If MJ was out here dogging him every time, then I’d have no issue with Scottie speaking on him at all. But speaking for myself, this goes beyond this one interview. If you want to keep talking about MJ then either break some news or STFU. Hell, if this was any other player speaking out negatively about Lebron voluntarily THIS MANY TIMES, we’d all be saying that player is obsessed with Lebron, context be damned.

(FWIW, I was already over it and only responded since you quoted me)

[southernmetalhead]

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That graphic had me thinking "Wait, Carlos Boozer is German?"

Then I see he was born on a military base and moved back to the US.