NBA Off Topic Thread

[tru11]

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People, it's called kleptomania for a reason.

Obviously, they aren't his parents but his employer, so they don't have to retain him or help deal with his issue. But, it is maddeningly hypocritical that we accept guys that commit felonies to remain a team (Miles Bridges & Draymond Green if it wasn't on an NBA court), but a petty *** theft deserves 'zero tolerance.'

Yeah, I think that **** should be the other way around, but obviously, his low standing on the team means he has to go.

Suspend the kid 'indefinitely' (maybe 12 games will do) and let the legal system take its course.

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Who is we?

Both of those idiots should have been out of the league long ago and either in jail or a psychiatric institution….


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[Master Live 013]

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I don't see it as hypocritical, just transparent. Guy who is very talented/good we will bend backwards to help, guy not as good, we won't.

We here being the team, not me of course, I help everyone with everything no matter their circumstances

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Sure I do :P

[Master Live 013]

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As for the Bulls thing, meh, what exactly are people getting mad about? Ok, so maybe you feel Krause didn't deserved to get booed because people have a warped perception of what truly happened.

Ok, so let's take it outside of this particular situation. Let's say there was a situation in which someone was being honored in which fans correctly perceived that that individual didn't deserved to be honored. Would they be justified in booing him then? Is it just the fact that the widow was there and was clearly distraught?

If I don't feel someone should be honored then **** them and I will show my displeasure how I please, whether that is by staying silent or booing or something else. Maybe it is a sign of "current times" and how "we have become uncivil" and all that.

Or maybe I just don't like hypocrisy. You don't get to commandeer my acquiescence into something I didn't agree to in the first place.



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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Stuff like this incident always reminds me that even though the world is not black/white, folks thinking/mindset still is.

[SmashMan]

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As for the Bulls thing, meh, what exactly are people getting mad about? Ok, so maybe you feel Krause didn't deserved to get booed because people have a warped perception of what truly happened.

Ok, so let's take it outside of this particular situation.

I like the "now, let's imagine the situation was different" switch here.

It's not the booing itself for me, it's the time and place. Krause got booed plenty when he was alive too. And if he was still around and could've played off the booing the other night that'd be one thing, but people booing a picture of a guy who's been dead for years at a generic team celebration because they're mad about some decisions he made as GM 25 years ago? Nah, that's dumb.

[J_Posse]

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As for the Bulls thing, meh, what exactly are people getting mad about? Ok, so maybe you feel Krause didn't deserved to get booed because people have a warped perception of what truly happened.

Ok, so let's take it outside of this particular situation. Let's say there was a situation in which someone was being honored in which fans correctly perceived that that individual didn't deserved to be honored. Would they be justified in booing him then? Is it just the fact that the widow was there and was clearly distraught?

If I don't feel someone should be honored then **** them and I will show my displeasure how I please, whether that is by staying silent or booing or something else. Maybe it is a sign of "current times" and how "we have become uncivil" and all that.

Or maybe I just don't like hypocrisy. You don't get to commandeer my acquiescence into something I didn't agree to in the first place.



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He does deserve to be honored, though. He engineered a lot of the moves that led to them winning titles 6 out of 8 years.

The way things ended is a blemish on his record too, but it doesn't change that he was a great executive.

He was trying to be forward-thinking with dismantling the dynasty before things fell apart (like the 80's Celtics), but his calculated risk didn't pay off.

He still deserves to be honored and for the fans to actually appreciate what he helped bring to Chicago (the only noticeable era of consistent success in their franchise's history).

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[dubcity]

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On a basic human level, who has the energy to boo a dead person? Not me.

[ggsimmonds]

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On a basic human level, who has the energy to boo a dead person? Not me.

Sports are nowhere near important enough for me to continue booing sports figures after they die. That should be reserved for the likes of war criminals and tyrants. You know, people that committed actual evil.

I think this was a case of people losing perspective.

[Master Live 013]

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I wonder about those who booed but then saw the widow in the jumbotron an decided to stop. Like I understand it, I was watching CNN at work in mute without any context and they showed her and thought "what are they doing to that poor woman"

At the same time, soft. You gotta commit Oh, so you saw that frail woman and now feel bad? Then you really didn't want it :P



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[ggsimmonds]

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I wonder about those who booed but then saw the widow in the jumbotron an decided to stop. Like I understand it, I was watching CNN at work in mute without any context and they showed her and thought "what are they doing to that poor woman"

At the same time, soft. You gotta commit Oh, so you saw that frail woman and now feel bad? Then you really didn't want it :P



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We dehumanize people in sports. We cheer and boo as if they are professional wrestlers playing a character.

Putting the widow on video was enough for some to realize "oh thats right, he was a full person wasn't he"

[ojandpizza]

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I’ve got no issues with the fans cheering/booing people. I don’t really think it dehumanizes anybody more so something that just comes with the territory. But man booing some dude who has passed with his widow sitting there? Idk how you defend that.

[MrDubya]

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As bad as it may sound, I laughed. I didn’t see it live, but heard it being discussed this morning on a show while I was driving.

[Majingir]

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Interesting stats I read about missed games/rest over the years.

Among players who were all stars or all-nba team selected players:
The 80s had those guys miss 10.4 games per season

90s had those guys miss 10.6

00s had those guys miss 13.9

10s had those guys miss 17.5

20s so far had those guys miss 23.9

[Jeffx]

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I would not be happy with losing Grimes. He's fallen out of favor with Thibs??? Give me a break.

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/knicks-are-reportedly-fielding-offers-for-quentin-grimes-should-hawks-be-interested

[King_B_Mack]

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Damn. Gross.

What do we think would happen when MJ & his spin doctors have made that man the 'villian' for decades?

Pretty disgusting and sad low point for the Bulls and their fanbase.

Well, boos did die down and some began to cheer once the PA guy said she was in attendance. Still, she was clearly distraught from the initial reaction. SMDH

Those fans gotta let those fake *** (MJ & Phil created) bad feelings go and realize everyone in the organization - not just MJ alone - made that team great.

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Just want to add the context cause I've seen a bunch of people trying to blame this on Michael Jordan & "The Last Dance" and what we're not going to do is sit here and pretend like Jerry Krause wasn't an egotistical ******* who treated people like **** and was hated by MANY throughout the entirety of the Bulls dynasty and not just at the end and the years since. The driving force behind his dismantling of the team also was NOT trying to get out in front of things to keep the franchise successful, his primary motivation was his ego and he absolutely hated the credit that Michael, Phil etc. got for the success of the Bulls before the front office got their due. He was obsessed with proving he could do it with different pieces and underestimated the fact that pissing MJ off would always cause him to lose the most important piece.

Having said all that, I cringed watching Friday because despite all his flaws he did have a big part of the success of that dynasty and for the love of all that is holy he's been dead going on 7 years now man. Have some respect.

The Bulls also deserve some blame for that mess. Why put her in that position? If you're gonna put her out there on his behalf, the first thing said should have been announcing her and showing her on the screen first and then going into Jerry's intro.

Celebrating the anniversary of THE dynasty in sports, and they couldn't care to put any sort of proper planning into it...

It should've happened last year though since that was the 25th anniversary.

It wasn't celebrating the anniversary of the dynasty. Basically here's what happened. The Bulls got sponsors to roll up with a ton of money to do a Ring of Honor (so figures from ALL of Chicago Bulls history will be honored in this now and moving forward. Artis Gilmore, Bob Love, Jerry Sloan are some of the people who were also honored during this) and that's about as far as the planning went. They picked a night that the Warriors would be in town so that Steve Kerr could participate without having to travel or make the scheduling work. I'm certain Michael and Scottie skipped out because of all the **** Scottie has been talking and now the whole Larsa/Marcus situation. So there wasn't ever going to be a time they were going to be there at the same time. So here we are