February Games Discussion Thread

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: February Games Discussion Thread

Back to the bust convo.

Can you make a case that Lonzo Ball is a bust?

That draft went:

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. Fox
6. Jonathan Issac
7. Lauri
8. Ntilikina
9. Dennis Smith Jr
10. Zach Collins
11. Malik Monk
12. Kennard
13. Mitchell
14. Bam

NBA talent evaluators were in peak form for this draft

[jfsolo]

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Back to the bust convo.

Can you make a case that Lonzo Ball is a bust?

That draft went:

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. Fox
6. Jonathan Issac
7. Lauri
8. Ntilikina
9. Dennis Smith Jr
10. Zach Collins
11. Malik Monk
12. Kennard
13. Mitchell
14. Bam

NBA talent evaluators were in peak form for this draft

I think that according the OS rubric(I know that it's not everyone), only Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, and Bam aren't bust from that group.

[ojandpizza]

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Damn when did OS bball go full ‘old man yells at cloud?’ They don’t play defense in the All-Star game. We’ve known this and it’s been this for all of eternity. We really gonna do this every year bitching about defense and how unwatchable the game is… while watching the game? The sooner you accept this weekend for what it is the better for your sports sanity.


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I think this one just stood out because since the format switch this was by far the worst one. But yeah it looked like pretty much all the other games before that and is nothing new.

[ProfessaPackMan]

February Games Discussion Thread

2020 was the exception and we all know why, unfortunately. That was never going to be the norm.

And based on what I hear about last nights game, it looked like every other one for the last 10 years.

[cam21224]

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Idk what’s more head scratching expecting something different from what we’ve seen the past couple years or the NBA honoring Malone with his past popping up all week.

His response to it got me even more furious 🤦🏾*♂️

[ggsimmonds]

Re: February Games Discussion Thread

Back to the bust convo.

Can you make a case that Lonzo Ball is a bust?

That draft went:

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. Fox
6. Jonathan Issac
7. Lauri
8. Ntilikina
9. Dennis Smith Jr
10. Zach Collins
11. Malik Monk
12. Kennard
13. Mitchell
14. Bam

NBA talent evaluators were in peak form for this draft

Not a bust. He's a starting PG five years in, thats not a bust. I think worst case is call him an underachiever but even thats a stretch imo. Thats contingent on him returning from injury though.

If he doesn't play again in any meaningful way, sure that could put him in bust status. If he returns but at a diminished level maybe he's a bust but can't say for certain (too many unknowns). But if he comes back and is still a 14 and 6 starting caliber pg? Nah, thats not a bust.

His first five years tracks very closely to Mike Conley selected 4th. No one is saying Mike is a bust right?

[dubcity]

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Idk, the hype he came in with as a #2 overall pick didn't help. I still remember that summer league when people thought it was a lock that he was gonna be a superstar. Now he's on his 3nd team. But when the guy drafted ahead of you is way more of a bust, it helps. It's telling to me that when he's healthy teams give him a lot of run. Right from the jump he's been getting mid 30s minutes.

Maybe he'd have stood out more if he'd played in a different era. Back when you could be a pass first, lower efficiency shooting PG. But he'd still have to be more assertive.

[Majingir]

Re: February Games Discussion Thread

Back to the bust convo.

Can you make a case that Lonzo Ball is a bust?

That draft went:

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Tatum
4. Josh Jackson
5. Fox
6. Jonathan Issac
7. Lauri
8. Ntilikina
9. Dennis Smith Jr
10. Zach Collins
11. Malik Monk
12. Kennard
13. Mitchell
14. Bam

NBA talent evaluators were in peak form for this draft

I wouldn't call him a bust. Not as good as other 2nd picks, but look at that draft.

If we redid the top 10 players drafted again, Ball probably goes 3 or 4.

[jeebs9]

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Idk, the hype he came in with as a #2 overall pick didn't help. I still remember that summer league when people thought it was a lock that he was gonna be a superstar. Now he's on his 3nd team. But when the guy drafted ahead of you is way more of a bust, it helps. It's telling to me that when he's healthy teams give him a lot of run. Right from the jump he's been getting mid 30s minutes.

Maybe he'd have stood out more if he'd played in a different era. Back when you could be a pass first, lower efficiency shooting PG. But he'd still have to be more assertive.

Wait Lonzo Ball is bust?! What is going on here lol? If he even stays healthy we're talking about another Markkanen. You pull that shooting thing on him any more. He's shooting well from out there.

He's a good question. Do people think Jrue Holiday is a bust? It's wasn't until the Pels. Where he played well in the playoffs he took off after that.

[dubcity]

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Wait Lonzo Ball is bust?! What is going on here lol? If he even stays healthy we're talking about another Markkanen. You pull that shooting thing on him any more. He's shooting well from out there.

He's a good question. Do people think Jrue Holiday is a bust? It's wasn't until the Pels. Where he played well in the playoffs he took off after that.

I don't think he's a bust. Just chiming in on the topic as a whole.

[ggsimmonds]

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Idk, the hype he came in with as a #2 overall pick didn't help. I still remember that summer league when people thought it was a lock that he was gonna be a superstar. Now he's on his 3nd team. But when the guy drafted ahead of you is way more of a bust, it helps. It's telling to me that when he's healthy teams give him a lot of run. Right from the jump he's been getting mid 30s minutes.

Maybe he'd have stood out more if he'd played in a different era. Back when you could be a pass first, lower efficiency shooting PG. But he'd still have to be more assertive.

On the basketball side of things only, he didn't really have a lot of hype (relative to going #2 overall). His loudmouth dad made it seem like he did.

If I am remembering correctly there were significant questions/concerns over his jumper. He was expected to put up 12-14 ppg and 6-8 apg off the bat, and the hope was that he could develop into a 20 ppg 9 apg player. He definitely wasn't considered a lock for a superstar

Edit: I want to specifically call out the bolded because...are we sure he is still a bust? He's a starting pg five years in, basically same numbers Lonzo was putting up. This goes back to whether bust is tentative or if there is finality to the label. Myself and probably most others were calling him a bust when he left Philly, but seems like his career is fighting back after being on life support. I may not have removed the bust label from his name, but I might have added a question mark at the end

[ggsimmonds]

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Wait Lonzo Ball is bust?! What is going on here lol? If he even stays healthy we're talking about another Markkanen. You pull that shooting thing on him any more. He's shooting well from out there.

He's a good question. Do people think Jrue Holiday is a bust? It's wasn't until the Pels. Where he played well in the playoffs he took off after that.

You're asking if a non-lottery pick is a bust?

For non-lottery picks if you survive to get see a second contract that eliminates you from bust status, let alone becoming a starter in year 2 and being one almost your entire career.

If I'm picking 17th sure a potential starter would be a bonus but at that spot I'm happy just to get a solid bench contributor

[jeebs9]

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You're asking if a non-lottery pick is a bust?



For non-lottery picks if you survive to get see a second contract that eliminates you from bust status, let alone becoming a starter in year 2 and being one almost your entire career.



If I'm picking 17th sure a potential starter would be a bonus but at that spot I'm happy just to get a solid bench contributor

It's just my reverse uno card. If you pick a player outside of the lottery and he becomes a superstar let's say Kawhi or Jokic.or who ever. Like is Bol Bol a bust. I'm just trying to understand the president here.

Is Marvin Williams a bust? Recently retired had a solid career in my opinion. Like James Wiseman, he was drafted on the worst team possible. He really should of been drafted by a team that needed a wing.


I have list here. I'd love to hear your opinions bust or not.

OJ Mayo
Jeff Green
Dion Waiters
Shazz Mohamed
Jabari Parker
Jahlil Okafor
Jaylen Brown


Myers Leonard 10 contract for the Bucks

Giannis just needs to wait for the pain to stop to return to play. That's amazing news

[bigeastbumrush]

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It's just my reverse uno card. If you pick a player outside of the lottery and he becomes a superstar let's say Kawhi or Jokic.or who ever. Like is Bol Bol a bust. I'm just trying to understand the president here.

Is Marvin Williams a bust? Recently retired had a solid career in my opinion. Like James Wiseman, he was drafted on the worst team possible. He really should of been drafted by a team that needed a wing.


I have list here. I'd love to hear your opinions bust or not.

OJ Mayo
Jeff Green
Dion Waiters
Shazz Mohamed
Jabari Parker
Jahlil Okafor
Jaylen Brown


Myers Leonard 10 contract for the Bucks

Giannis just needs to wait for the pain to stop to return to play. That's amazing news

OJ Mayo - No
Jeff Green - No
Dion Waiters - Waste of talent
Shazz Mohamed - Hell yeah
Jabari Parker - Based on what he was supposed to be..yes
Jahlil Okafor - Talented but wrong era
Jaylen Brown - No

I think the bust label..as someone said..comes from pre-draft hype

Some guys are simply just really good college players and that’s it. Is it fair to attach the bust label to them if they get picked high? Probably.

A HOFer from the Lakers said Lonzo’s jersey would be hanging from the rafters. That didn’t come from Lavar or the fans.

[MrDubya]

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Damn when did OS bball go full ‘old man yells at cloud?’ They don’t play defense in the All-Star game. We’ve known this and it’s been this for all of eternity. We really gonna do this every year bitching about defense and how unwatchable the game is… while watching the game? The sooner you accept this weekend for what it is the better for your sports sanity.


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That’s kinda what I was saying. It’s not gonna be competitive like a real game, and I can understand guys not wanting to go all out for this. I just half watch them anyway, like it’s on in the background, but I never really get into them like I used to when I was much younger.