2005-2006 knicks thread

[fsquid]

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If you can't look up to Larry Brown, then you really have no heart to be a basketball player.

[ehh]

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How are y'all saying you're impressed with Eddy Curry? He played pretty crappy IMO.


6-15 from the field, but it's good to see he actually got 8 boards. Davis will certainly help him on the glass though, I've been a fan of him since his Indy days. He adds the toughness that Curry lacks. Free throw shooting, eh, he's a big man you can let that slide.

His moves on the post seem so akward. He doesn't protect the ball at all (hence getting swatted by friggen Delonte West). His footwork is average (this will improve though, hopefully) and he takes alot of off-balanced shots. Also, his vision and passing ability out of the post is pretty poor. He got triple teamed on one play and still didn't even notice it and forced up a shot that got blocked or was a brick (I don't remember).


YankeePride, you're lucky your not a sports writer because if Shaq saw that you said Curry plays like Shaq did when he was younger he'd have a mouthful for ya. Shaq was always ultra-aggressive, a strong player but a pretty smart player. Curry isn't overly aggresive and needs to learn to go MUCH stronger to the tin.


As for the rest of the squad, I'm going to kill myself by the end of this year watching Jamal Crawford. He's SO inconsistent and some of his decisions really make you scratch your head. Stephon was himself (which I'm never crazy about but it's never going to change) besides the FT line performance but had some costly TO's and bad decisions. Nate Robinson, despite limited action, impressed me. Yes he shot like crap but I really liked when penetrated and dished. He was thinking pass-first and had a few nice dimes. Like everyone else thinks, he'll add some excitment and pop off the bench.

Q-Rich obvioulsy looked pretty eh. With him, Marbury and Crawford together it'll be an interesting season. Not suprised that Channing Frye didn't get in, this is LB's team after all.

Oh well, I know I'm going to be a big critic of Curry all year so pardon me for that. And I'll never feel comfortable with the backcourt of Marbury, Crawford and Q-Rich but I'll have to live with them for the time being. As a whole though this team still has a very long way to go.

[CMH]

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YankeePride, you're lucky your not a sports writer because if Shaq saw that you said Curry plays like Shaq did when he was younger he'd have a mouthful for ya. Shaq was always ultra-aggressive, a strong player but a pretty smart player. Curry isn't overly aggresive and needs to learn to go MUCH stronger to the tin.

In the heat of trying to make sure I mentioned everything that I wanted to write I forgot to add a couple of things.

I don't want to compare Curry to Shaq. No one was like Shaq at any point in his career.

My point is this. Curry is a big body that wants to dunk the ball when he gets a pass inside. However, much like Shaq in his early years, Curry has no other move, which was apparent in his field goal shooting.

I know a lot of guys are similar to that early in their careers. Shaq was used as an example because you can immediately remember how Shaq played in Orlando - it was much different than he played in LA/Miami.

So, don't take it to the extreme thinking I want or envision Curry being anything like Shaq. I've already said on these boards when the Knicks traded for Curry that he will NEVER EVER BE a 15-10 player. And I still stand by that.

[CMH]

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Oh well, I know I'm going to be a big critic of Curry all year so pardon me for that. And I'll never feel comfortable with the backcourt of Marbury, Crawford and Q-Rich but I'll have to live with them for the time being. As a whole though this team still has a very long way to go.

I think you are expecting the Knicks to make the playoffs.

Maybe I'm not as aggravated because I don't expect much of anything from this year's team.

Larry Brown's affect on the team won't be measured in wins and losses to me. Maybe to every writer in NY and most Knick fans, but I'm looking for other things.

What I saw in the first quarter - Inside/outside play, passing the ball outside to spot shooters, dumping the ball inside to Curry, and getting to the line - those are things no coach since Jeff Van Gundy has been able to get out of the Knicks.

(To be fair, no coach since Jeff Van Gundy had the pieces either. The Knicks actually have big bodies inside to play inside/outside basketball. They actually have spot shooters (Q, Crawford) to pass outside from the inside. They also have Curry to dump the ball inside to - and he will continue to improve. Finally, they actually have players that want to play inside and draw fouls).

[bigeastbumrush]

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The only question I have is, why didn't Channing Frye get any minutes?

Because Antonio Davis played his *** off. For a 37 year old, he played extremely well on both sides of the ball. Too much to ask Frye to do. I KNOW Larry will get him in the game at MSG. Even if it's for a few minutes, he will definitely get him in there. Trust me, there will be a "We Want Frye" chant sometime during the game.

ehh,
I liked what Curry gave us. Look at the type of plays that they're calling for him and where he's getting the ball. Yes, he needs more post moves. Yes, he needs to lower his head and turn into the hoop. Yes, he needs that consistent baby hook. In time, he'll get it.

Mind you, Curry "just got here". It's obvious he didn't really learn a thing in Chicago. The more time he spends with Mark Aguirre, the more you'll see a beast come out. Look at Sweetney's development since he was drafted. Little to no post moves as a rook. His last year here, he was deft in the post. Quick moves, quick decision making. Curry's upside>>>>>>>>Sweetney's upside (although I still love Sweets). Curry is what 22, 23? He's gonna be solid in time man. You can see it.

[ehh]

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In the heat of trying to make sure I mentioned everything that I wanted to write I forgot to add a couple of things.

I don't want to compare Curry to Shaq. No one was like Shaq at any point in his career.

My point is this. Curry is a big body that wants to dunk the ball when he gets a pass inside. However, much like Shaq in his early years, Curry has no other move, which was apparent in his field goal shooting.

I know a lot of guys are similar to that early in their careers. Shaq was used as an example because you can immediately remember how Shaq played in Orlando - it was much different than he played in LA/Miami.

So, don't take it to the extreme thinking I want or envision Curry being anything like Shaq. I've already said on these boards when the Knicks traded for Curry that he will NEVER EVER BE a 15-10 player. And I still stand by that.

Gotcha. Good explanation, and I agree with what you're saying now that I understand exactly what you were getting at.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Ouch.

Just got back from the game and there was alot to be angry about.

Larry Brown needs to get a consistent rotation and stick with it. I think Matt Barnes shouldn't be starting anymore. It should be either Ariza at the 3 and Q and the 2 or Jamal at the 2 and Q at the 3.

It was easy to see that Curry learned absolutely nothing in Chicago. Didn't watch too many Bulls games, but I'm assuming he bullied his way to his points. It was evident tonight that he only has one post move from the right block- the right hand hook. He's a bit better from the left block, but his post skills are minimal.

Brown sat Curry too long tonight. He had 4 (STUPID) fouls and Brown decided to bring him back in with 3 minutes left after we blew the little lead we had and were again down by 8.

Another obvious thing is that we can't rebound for ****. Stat line may say we seriously outboarded the Wiz on the offensive glass, but if we did, it was by luck. These guys don't go for rebounds. They let them come to them. Ariza is the only one who seriously crashes the glass. I love this kid.

And I hope Frye works his way into the starting lineup simply because he brings energy.

Hard game to sit through.........ugh!

[fsquid]

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We are not a good team.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Enter: David Lee. He has arrived. The Garden is pumped right now.

The rookies bring a ton of energy to the floor.

Good thing Golden State has no clue what defense is.

[joeysosa]

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Good thing Golden State has no clue what defense is.

You guys have scored 10 points in the 4th quarter.

[bigeastbumrush]

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^^Yep.

It was real disappointing to read in the papers that Brown says he has no idea of what his rotation is and it may take 20 games to figure it out.

I've watched all the games and been to one and it's clear that the rookies have give them the most energy. Anytime they've been down, the rooks & Ariza have gotten them back in the game.

They could've beat both the Wizards and Warriors but Brown's substitution pattern is suspect. Barnes & Davis have been getting too many minutes. Crawford's ego is shot that he has to come off the bench and he can't get his head into the game.

I dunno. 0-3. West Coast swing.

Wouldn't be too suprised to see them come back with no wins.

[fsquid]

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Any value left in trading Crawford?? We don't need him to be honest.

[ZM Punk]

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This was the first knicks game that I have been able to catch this year aside from the preseason. Very impressed with the rookies especially Lee he played with alot of energy. He really pounded the glass hard.

Channing Frye also impressed me alot with his shot blocking and passing skills. The bottom line is their still young and make stupid mistakes but a like watching them making mistakes than to watch Jamal Crawford making the same stupid mistakes he has been making since he got here.

All in all I was excited seeing the three rookies playing well. Look at it this way its better than seeing Allan Houston and Jerome Williams limping up the court. I really think better days are ahead for this franchise.

Just not for the forseeable future.

[bigeastbumrush]

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All in all I was excited seeing the three rookies playing well. Look at it this way its better than seeing Allan Houston and Jerome Williams limping up the court. I really think better days are ahead for this franchise.

Just not for the forseeable future.

I agree. Too bad our payroll doesn't coincide with a rebuilding team. I think I need to just fall back and come to the realization that the playoffs are only a bonus this year. The more important thing is the player development.

As for Crawford, I think he's tradeable, only if packaged. His deal is not friendly. I think he's still a capable player. He's just neck deep in Brown's dog house and now it's mental with him. You can see his lack of confidence in his face. I mean, how would you feel if Matt Barnes was starting ahead of you?

[HMcCoy]

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If Larry sticks around, this team will be nasty in 3 years...