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  • areobee401
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    Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

    Mock drafts rarely if ever become true, even worse when trying to predict what Danny will do.
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    • R1zzo23
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      #707
      Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

      I will not be happy with Herro at #14 and I’ll be on the record with that one right now.

      * I know we didn’t have the 24th pick. I think I was typing that post quickly while my wife was talking to me about something. [emoji23]


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      • tonybologna
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        #708
        Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

        Originally posted by areobee401
        Mock drafts rarely if ever become true, even worse when trying to predict what Danny will do.
        I agree but usually the top 5-10 picks are pretty accurate with mock drafts.

        Originally posted by R1zzo23
        I will not be happy with Herro at #14 and I’ll be on the record with that one right now.

        * I know we didn’t have the 24th pick. I think I was typing that post quickly while my wife was talking to me about something. [emoji23]


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        I agree with you on Herro. If we're going to go with a SG @ 14 then I would much rather have a player like Kevin Porter out of USC.
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        • areobee401
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          Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

          For the Bol Bol crew.

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          • R1zzo23
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            #710
            Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

            I’m on board for drafting him in the 20s but not at 14.


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            • tonybologna
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              What did you guys think of our draft picks tonight? I liked them except I do question drafting 2 PG's though. We got Carsen Edwards which I was all for but Tremont Waters too?

              What Ainge might be thinking is a just in case scenario or already knows something about the PG position. Could it be that both Kyrie & Rozier are both going to be gone? That's my thinking so we drafted 2 PG's to have available. Now, neither one of these players are ready to be starting PG's in my opinion. I think with some of that cap space we got to go after a FA PG. We will probably stash Waters in the G-League for growth & development. Rubio is said to be interested in 3-4 teams including the Celtics but we are not at the top of his list.

              Me personally would have rather us drafted Jordan Bone from my Vols instead of Waters. Bone is the more polished PG at this time. Bone will be playing for the Hawks though & he too will be a project. Edwards could be used as a backup PG in his rookie season more than likely.

              I liked the Grant Williams pick after we traded Baynes away to the Suns. We did gain a 1st Round Pick in 2020 by losing Baynes. I knew Schofield wasn't go to make it down to 51. Ainge was straight up about their interest in Schofield including 2 workouts for him. Grant Williams also had a workout just days prior to the draft.

              I was so glad that Tyler Herro went the pick just before our 14th pick. I think if he hadn't went then we would have picked him. We got a better overall player in Romeo Langford that's a 2-way player. He's going to play on both ends of the court. Langford I believe will be a lock to be on the NBA 12-man roster for us. That's unless we go out & sign a FA SG.

              If Ainge already knows that both Kyrie & Rozier are both leaving then Smart would have to step up to be our starting PG UNLESS we are able to get Kemba, Rubio, Collison, or another solid PG onboard. Rumors are also floating around now that we are interested in Vucevic from the Magic to be our starting Center. I would be all for that too. Grant Williams has a solid game but I'm not sure he's ready for the NBA.

              I could see him being in the G-League his rookie season as well. Maybe we call him up after Christmas for a look or if injuries occur but I feel like he will be mostly G-League next season. So, the only draft picks I see possibly making the roster next season are Langford & Edwards. If we happen to get a FA PG then it's also possible that Edwards isn't rushed & he plays in the G-League next season as well. I still think he has better than a 50% chance of making the roster.

              I think Kyrie, Rozier, & Morris are all definitely gone. Horford has already stated he's gone. Kyrie hasn't came out & said it in front of cameras but he's gone too. Rozier I think is going to get a better offer from another team & we aren't going to match it. Hence, that's why we drafted 2 PG's because Rozier has already told Ainge he's getting out of Boston just like Kyrie. I really think we can put a playoff team on the court next season. Woj on ESPN said he felt the same way.

              He said not better than a 4th seeded team & probably more like a 6th-7th seeded team but it's almost like a restart/rebuild now for us. However, we have kept our young core & star players in Tatum & Brown through this process. At least so far anyhow. We also have the veteran in Smart that should jump to being the leader of this team.

              If we do end up getting Vucevic then that's going to help us tremendously on the inside. As of right now, we don't have ANY frontcourt scorers. Robert Williams will provide defense but as far as scoring with a big man unless we get a player like Vucevic then we are screwed in the frontcourt.

              With Vucevic I could see the starting 5 as follows (this is without picking up any other FA's):

              PG- Marcus Smart
              SG- Jaylen Brown
              SF- Jayson Tatum
              PF- Gordon Hayward
              C- Nikola Vucevic

              That's not too bad of a starting 5. The bench would probably look as follows:

              PG- P.J. Dozier (or FA filler)
              SG- Romeo Langford
              SF- Semi Ojeleye
              PF- Yabusele
              C- Robert Williams

              The other 2 roster spots for the NBA squad would probably be Carsen Edwards & either Theis if we bring him back or R.J. Hunter (also if we bring him back as well). If we would have drafted Tyler Herro I feel like he would have been just like the R.J. Hunter pick we wasted on him a few years ago. Same type of players.

              Just strictly shooters & basically nothing else. Hunter never showed much of anything but we got him back last season to give him another chance & he showed flashes of being a better player. He's a RFA but he's not likely to get a better offer from another team. Theis I could see getting a better offer as a RFA but it's probably less likely than likely.

              If we can't get enough frontcourt players/help then Grant Williams might be forced to be on the NBA roster. He could handle it but I couldn't see him getting more than 10-12 minutes per game in his rookie campaign. He needs a little more grooming especially from the outside & also fouling way too much as well.
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              • jeremym480
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                #712
                Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

                I give the draft a solid B- but that could change depending on what we do in free agency and how promising everyone looks in Summer League. Langford was hurt with a hand injury most of last season so that really effected his outside shooting. If he can get that going then he could be a good scorer off of the bench. The fact that Brad was gushing over Grant Williams does make me feel a little more confident about him. He shorter than I would like but he's has a 6"11 wingspan and a good head on his shoulders so that should put him ahead of Yabu on the Depth Chart.

                I really wanted Edwards so I was happy with that pick. He's short but has a decent wingspan and has tree trunks for legs. I'm hoping he can be our Fred Van Fleet. Drafting Waters is okay with me even though they already drafted Edward. They were probably just going with the "Best Available Player" on their draft board and I'm not going to go in on them over the 51st pick.

                Free Agency is going to be very interesting for us Celtics fans once again. Woj said that we're in on Vucevic. I don't know if Ainge is confident that we get Vooch or if he has a trade lined up or what but the fact that they didn't address our lack of size down low is really concerning to me.

                Also, concerning is the fact that even if we get Vooch then I still think we're a middle of the road team in the East. I actually really like him as a player.. he played better than Al last year but is softer than Al on Defense. Plus, he'll be 29 in October so I'm not sure if maxing him out is a great course of action for this team.

                I'd much rather max D'Lo who just turned 23. Are you winning anything with him this year? No. But we're not winning anything maxing Vuc either. We're just getting slightly better but it's going to be much more difficult to trade a maxed out Vooch in his early 30's in a few years than it will D'Lo in his prime. With D'Lo we're set at PG for the foreseeable future. Plus you pair an All-Star PG with potential All-Star SG and SF all of whom are under the age of 23. We would probably have to resort to the bargain bin for Center but I would just try to get a cheap guy who can protect the rim for now and hope that either we can upgrade with a trade, Time Lord pans out, or we can get a young big with potential using the Memphis pick in a year or two. The draft along with Woj's reporting kind of signals that we're not going that route so if any of your are D'Lo haters then I don't think you have anything to worry about.
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                • jeremym480
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                  Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

                  Here's a look at our cap space and the max salary tiers:




                  Windhorst said that Boston could pursue a PG with their cap space


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                  • tonybologna
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                    #714
                    Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

                    Originally posted by jeremym480
                    Here's a look at our cap space and the max salary tiers:




                    Windhorst said that Boston could pursue a PG with their cap space



                    I figured that we would target a FA PG. The problem appears to be that Rubio who was one of the top favorites has us ~3rd on his list of 4-5 teams. Kemba has now stated he would take less money to come back to Charlotte. Collison hasn't said much of anything in the media as to where he might be headed or his team interest.

                    I would take any of these 3 PG's to be our starting PG. We just don't have a true starting PG right now. I think we've got to go after a PG pretty aggressively though. Woj is now reporting that if we get Vucevic then we would give up mostly draft picks & not any big names on the current roster. I'm all for that but no way in my opinion should we make Tatum & Brown available in a trade deal for Vucevic.

                    I would rather give up Smart in a trade than both of these young stars packaged together. Woj said on SportsCenter earlier today that a current roster player would probably be a in a trade but not Tatum and/or Brown.

                    Smart was mentioned because he has the higher salary to help cover a trade like this. Ojeleye & Rozier were other players mentioned as possible trade candidates in a Vucevic deal. Not all of these players mentioned would go but probably just 1 + draft picks.
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                    • areobee401
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                      #715
                      Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

                      A big no committing to Vucevic on a long-term deal.

                      And a huge no signing any of these point guards to a max deal.

                      Also, I have my doubts any of the top free agents would even want to play for the Celtics.
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                      • tonybologna
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                        #716
                        Re: Official Boston Celtics Thread

                        Originally posted by areobee401
                        A big no committing to Vucevic on a long-term deal.

                        And a huge no signing any of these point guards to a max deal.

                        Also, I have my doubts any of the top free agents would even want to play for the Celtics.
                        Vucevic in my opinion is in his prime. I would work a trade & sign him for 3 years. He would then be 32 years old at the end of that contract. This would give us 3 years with him & see how good of a player he still might be in his early 30's. Vucevic is a top 10 Center & flirting with a Top 5 Center. He can legit score from both the inside & outside. He also plays defense pretty well but he's not quick.

                        Just his height, length, & strength make him a solid defender. He's also not too athletic but he's a bruiser under the basket. We could get him & look for 16-20 pts./game from him plus 10+ rebounds/game. He's also a decent passer for a Center but he's nowhere near as good of a passer as Jokic or a few other Centers.

                        I do agree with you on the PG max deal thing though. The only one we could remotely consider signing to a max contract would be Kemba but he's not getting any younger. Having said that, he had his best overall NBA season in 2018-19. He's definitely not looking for a max contract because with Charlotte he could get more money on a max contract but he's already stated he would take less money to come back to Charlotte. I think there's a 75% chance Kemba ends up staying with the Hornets.
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                        • jeremym480
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                          Originally posted by tonybologna
                          I figured that we would target a FA PG. The problem appears to be that Rubio who was one of the top favorites has us ~3rd on his list of 4-5 teams. Kemba has now stated he would take less money to come back to Charlotte. Collison hasn't said much of anything in the media as to where he might be headed or his team interest.

                          I would take any of these 3 PG's to be our starting PG. We just don't have a true starting PG right now. I think we've got to go after someone pretty aggressively though. Woj is now reporting that if we get Vucevic then we would give up mostly draft picks & not any big names on the current roster. I'm all for that but no way in my opinion should make Tatum & Brown available in a trade deal for Vucevic.

                          I would rather give up Smart in a trade than both of these young stars packaged together. Woj said on SportsCenter earlier today that a current roster player would probably be a in a trade but not Tatum and/or Brown.

                          Smart was mentioned because he has the higher salary to help cover a trade like this. Ojeleye & Rozier were other players mentioned as possible trade candidates in a Vucevic deal. Not all of these players mentioned but probably just 1 + draft picks.

                          I think Kemba will have more appealing opportunities with the money in Charlotte being the main one. The Clippers, Mavs, and Knicks will all be after him and all of them (expect the Knicks) will be better situations for him. Rubio and Collison aren't needle movers for me. We already have enough guards who can't shoot consistently and Rubio would just add to that. Collison is a good shooter but he has said that he wants to go to a contender so I don't see him coming to a middling Boston team at this point in his career. I also don't see either as a starter over Smart and if they were Smart would probably throw a "Rozier". Plus, Danny rarely brings in vet PG's to be the backup. They usually go with under the radar type of guys (Larkin, Wanamaker) or rookies.

                          Vucevic is an unrestricted FA and we have the space for him so we wouldn't have to give up anything for him. I guess a S&T could happen if Ainge had a additional plan and needed to move some money out but S&T's are pretty rare so I'm not sure that would happen. Maybe it was Capela he was talking about?

                          Either way, I have a feeling that we're going to end up with Vucevic and a re-signed Rozier. Rozier will be the starter and Smart will come in off of the bench but get more minutes and be "the closer". That's not what I want and hopefully Danny has bigger aspirations but that's what my gut is telling me.
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                          • tonybologna
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                            Originally posted by jeremym480
                            I think Kemba will have more appealing opportunities with the money in Charlotte being the main one. The Clippers, Mavs, and Knicks will all be after him and all of them (expect the Knicks) will be better situations for him. Rubio and Collison aren't needle movers for me. We already have enough guards who can't shoot consistently and Rubio would just add to that. Collison is a good shooter but he has said that he wants to go to a contender so I don't see him coming to a middling Boston team at this point in his career. I also don't see either as a starter over Smart and if they were Smart would probably throw a "Rozier". Plus, Danny rarely brings in vet PG's to be the backup. They usually go with under the radar type of guys (Larkin, Wanamaker) or rookies.

                            Vucevic is an unrestricted FA and we have the space for him so we wouldn't have to give up anything for him. I guess a S&T could happen if Ainge had a additional plan and needed to move some money out but S&T's are pretty rare so I'm not sure that would happen. Maybe it was Capela he was talking about?

                            Either way, I have a feeling that we're going to end up with Vucevic and a re-signed Rozier. Rozier will be the starter and Smart will come in off of the bench but get more minutes and be "the closer". That's not what I want and hopefully Danny has bigger aspirations but that's what my gut is telling me.
                            My bad. I was thinking Vucevic was still under contract for 1 more season instead of being a UFA. Well, that solves me having to worry about us trading away Tatum and/or Brown.

                            You probably are right about Rozier. I just think though that Ainge has possibly talked to Rozier & he told Ainge he was more than likely leaving. Of course, I don't think he would leave unless he's given more money because he is just about guaranteed to be our starting PG if we don't go out & sign a FA PG.

                            Then again, this might have been part of the plan in drafting 2 PG's because Ainge already knows something about Rozier & maybe Ainge himself isn't expecting to necessarily go after a FA PG. That's just a possibility. Not saying this happened but it could have.

                            Rozier probably also wouldn't like the fact we would most definitely use Smart as our closer in the 4th quarter. It would place him back in a situation like we had with Kyrie. He would see only 18-20 minutes per game. He wants to play more minutes & be a 4th quarter closer. To me, he's not earned that type of role for this team.

                            Maybe another team would use him this way so that's why he has a good chance @ possibly leaving. I've said this before but Rozier can only go somewhere else & be a starting PG for a very few select teams. I can only think of no more than 2 right off the top of my head. His choices would be very limited.

                            I prefer for us to go hard after a FA PG. There's not a ton of choices for a true starting PG. You make great points about Rubio & Collison. So, it's going to be either we keep Rozier as our starter & Smart as backup with Smart receiving more playing time. I feel Rozier will call to be traded if this happens weeks into the season. Maybe Ainge has already told Rozier that too & hence Rozier wasn't accepting of that role/explanation.

                            I think keeping Rozier could cause problems for this team. If he does stay & becomes a problem then we need to trade him away as fast as possible. He's a pretty high character guy but he's already stated he feels like he's deserving of being a starting PG in the NBA & on top of that on the floor at the most critical times. Smart would be on the court at the most critical times. Now, if Rozier gets off to a hot start & shows some of the 2017-18 playoffs then we would have no choice but to play him more minutes over Smart. I'm just not confident at all in that happening.

                            There's a possibility that we could go with 3 PG's on the NBA roster. Smart, Rozier (or FA PG), & Carsen Edwards. P.J. Dozier is a RFA & has the capability to eat up some minutes but I don't know if he would make the roster or spend 3/4 of the season back in the G-League like last season. P.J. Dozier is definitely a totally different type of PG that we have period. He's tall (6'7") & lanky. He can rebound, block shots, & is a decent passer. He can get hot from 3 but not a consistent 3-pt. shooter at all.
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                            • BleacherBum2310
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                              late on this but i really loved what the Celtics did in the draft. I love love love the Grant Williams Pick and really liked the Carsen Edwards pick.

                              I'm okay with a Vuc signing. He's pretty good. His defensive numbers were surprisingly really good. but how much of that is a contract year.

                              the one guy I want the most is Brogdon. I dunno if I'd go max but to me he's the most underrated FA on the market. 15/5/5 on 40/50/90 sign me up.

                              just please do not under any circumstances bring Rozier back. take miracle playoff stats when Kyrie was injured out of your mind he is not a starting quality player. He just isn't.
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                              • tonybologna
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                                Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
                                late on this but i really loved what the Celtics did in the draft. I love love love the Grant Williams Pick and really liked the Carsen Edwards pick.

                                I'm okay with a Vuc signing. He's pretty good. His defensive numbers were surprisingly really good. but how much of that is a contract year.

                                the one guy I want the most is Brogdon. I dunno if I'd go max but to me he's the most underrated FA on the market. 15/5/5 on 40/50/90 sign me up.

                                just please do not under any circumstances bring Rozier back. take miracle playoff stats when Kyrie was injured out of your mind he is not a starting quality player. He just isn't.
                                I'm with you on the Rozier thoughts. But, we must consider what could happen in FA. There could be a chance that we can't get anyone skilled any better than Rozier. Or, Ainge has already decided either he's moving on from Rozier & will target someone in FA @ PG. We just don't know just yet.

                                If we can't get a true solid PG like Kemba, Rubio, or Collison then we just might be looking at bringing back Rozier. Depending on what other offers Rozier will receive (I think he gets an offer from another team) will determine where we go. However, if Ainge has already decided on not bringing back Rozier we will not match ANY offer. That would tell me Ainge will strongly go after a FA PG. The problem with that is getting like I said a true starting PG with skills better than Rozier.

                                If the scenario plays out that we can't get anybody else for a starting PG then I personally would prefer us to go with Smart starting @ PG but I also think Smart is better suited @ coming off the bench. However, he's capable of handling starting PG if needed. We would probably have P.J. Dozier or Carsen Edwards as the backup in this scenario.

                                If we do somehow end up keeping Rozier then Smart would be the backup PG but also play some SG as well. That would mean both P.J. Dozier & Carsen Edwars will both still probably make the 12-man NBA roster as bench players. Edwards would strictly be a PG but Dozier is capable of playing both PG & SG just like Smart.

                                I would rather we just move on from Rozier no matter what happens with us in FA. We can get by @ PG good enough without him I personally believe whether we sign a true FA PG or not. Like you said & I'm on board with you. He's just not good enough to be a starting PG in my strong opinion.
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