The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

[NYJets]

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Hopefully Amare lands in a good situation, he could still help somebody. Class act, and he certainly can't be blamed for the knee injuries. He was a beast in his first year and brought some buzz back to the garden for the first time since the Van Gundy days.

In hindsight it wasn't a good signing but people use revisionist history to criticize it. We needed to get a star in place to make the situation attractive for Lebron. Nobody knew at the time Lebron, Bosh, and Wade had already made plans. And IIRC, while everybody knew his knees would be an issue at some point, I think people thought after year 3 or so it would be an issue. Nobody expected to only get one healthy year out of him

[ehh]

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Yeah, I mean plenty of people criticized it when it happened. No other team was going to give him 5 years or that much money. Phoenix knew he was damaged goods. Donnie didn't want to strike out though. At the same time, his plan was to get Melo in FA the following summer and not gut the team to acquire him.

Things would be different if we never made the Melo trade for sure, regardless of if Melo came here as a FA or not (I still don't think that would have happened - he was going to get traded and take his max extension somewhere). I wish Dolan wouldn't have overridden Walsh and we let the Nets acquire him in that trade. Still, hypothetically, a team with Melo, Amare and all those young guys we traded to Denver would have been an interesting team for a year or two.

Really though, as we've discussed a million times, the whole era went to **** when we wasted the amnesty on Billups. We had to save that for Amare. We had a golden ticket and flushed it down the toilet. Donnie went 'all in' with the Chandler move and obviously it didn't work out.

[NYJets]

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The biggest stupidity behind the Billups amnesty is that we amnestied him after picking up his team option. Walsh picked it up, then he got fired, and Grunwald went a different direction. The type of thing that happens when you have an owner who refuses to have any stability.

[bigfnjoe96]

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[ehh]

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Loved the "if your smart" line...

[CMH]

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It sucks he broke down because I liked Stoudemire a lot. I think it's obvious which "fans" throw shade at him now that he's gone.

Sure Amar'e wasn't very good anymore and we all joked about it but it's wasn't his fault. If he had 2010 only, as a one year signing, he'd be remembered much differently.

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[bigeastbumrush]

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Yeah, I mean plenty of people criticized it when it happened. No other team was going to give him 5 years or that much money. Phoenix knew he was damaged goods. Donnie didn't want to strike out though. At the same time, his plan was to get Melo in FA the following summer and not gut the team to acquire him.

Things would be different if we never made the Melo trade for sure, regardless of if Melo came here as a FA or not (I still don't think that would have happened - he was going to get traded and take his max extension somewhere). I wish Dolan wouldn't have overridden Walsh and we let the Nets acquire him in that trade. Still, hypothetically, a team with Melo, Amare and all those young guys we traded to Denver would have been an interesting team for a year or two.

Really though, as we've discussed a million times, the whole era went to **** when we wasted the amnesty on Billups. We had to save that for Amare. We had a golden ticket and flushed it down the toilet. Donnie went 'all in' with the Chandler move and obviously it didn't work out.

Nets played us like a fiddle upping the ante so that we would include Mozgov.

Dolan's greed + Melo's greed = our current nightmare

[jb12780]

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I just read he gave back two million as part of the buyout.

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[CMH]

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What's the benefit of the money? Can the Knicks apply that cash anywhere?

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[jb12780]

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What's the benefit of the money? Can the Knicks apply that cash anywhere?

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Idk if he gave back actual cash or gave them a discount on the buyout.

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[jb12780]

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Melo done for the year via ESPN.



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[ehh]

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The final phase of The Tank is complete unless we can ditch Jose by tomorrow. This virtually guarantees us the worst record in the NBA.

Say what you want but I think Phil has done exactly what he needed to do, this year couldn't have gone better IMO with the exception of getting a pick in the Cleveland deal. This is far better than losing the first round as an 8th seed and getting a mid-teens pick.

We're going to end up with a Top 4 pick for the first time since we drafted Ewing. We should end up with Okafor, Russell or Towns. We've got cap space galore. Fish got his feet wet.

Of course the national media continues to rail against us even though we're finally rebuilding the old fashioned, proper way. Hardly anyone is knocking BK even though they're in a FAR worse position than we are.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Dragic at $20M/yr.

Please no.

[ehh]

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I don't think he's ever going to see FA, I think he'll get traded and extended.

I also don't think Phil would give that much to a PG since he won all of his rings with marginal talent at the point.

[jb12780]

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Reggie Jackson want out of OKC. Calderon for him? Gets his giant contract off the books and Jackson is an RFA.

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