Countdown To Calzage-Hopkins 20 days away.

[Complex]

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all of which mean the other fighter is seriously hurt, which in conclusions means that his punches are not "slaps" for eff's sake. No he does not punch like Rocky Marciano, or Floyd Patterson, but his version of a hard punch is not a SLAP for the love of christ...

During the fight, Kellerman and Stewart both said that they had not seen Joe land any significant punches, but his aggression was winning the fight. You have not proven this 'power' argument. All I ask is you give me an example that would demostrate his power during a fight.

[Complex]

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What difference does that make? You said he wasn't even in the pound for pound discussion.
As far as what Joe did or didn't do that wasn't the reason for my post. You said Bernard blew it by not throwing enough punches. By the way, a lot of times when a fighter isn't able to do something it usually has to do with his opponent.

List yours first so I can counterlist you.

Who has he ducked lately? Lacy (whatever your opinion of Jeff is, remember he was very feared at the time-a real animal in FN3), Kessler, and Hopkins. That is simple not a fair statement.

Less punches does not ALWAYS mean the opponent. Many fighters are counterpunches, and end up throwing less than their opponent. Then there are the Margaritos, Williams, Soliman etc that throw punches in bunches.

You say he is in the discussion, I would think you would have some idea of a list to say I am wrong. But since you can not prove an argument, but rather try to dispute mine I will entertain you. P4P for me stops after 5 guys.

1. Floyd Mayweather - Wins over Corrales, Castillo (x2), Judah, Baldomir, Chavez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Corley aond so on and so on
2. Many Pacquiao - Wins over Marquez, Barrera, Morales
3. Wladimir Klitshcko - Wins over Peter, Ibragimov, Brock, Byrd
4. Kelly Pavlik - wins over Taylor (x2), KOd Miranda
5. Cotto - Wins over Mosley, Judah, Torres, Corley, Quintana, Maligigaggi

Joe has only 1-2 signifiant wins on his record. Kessler is the only one that I truly count. You can argue for Lacy, but most people agree he was overrated. He did nothing before the Joe fight and hasnt done anything since.

[JayBee74]

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You say he is in the discussion, I would think you would have some idea of a list to say I am wrong. But since you can not prove an argument, but rather try to dispute mine I will entertain you. P4P for me stops after 5 guys.

1. Floyd Mayweather - Wins over Corrales, Castillo (x2), Judah, Baldomir, Chavez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Corley aond so on and so on
2. Many Pacquiao - Wins over Marquez, Barrera, Morales
3. Wladimir Klitshcko - Wins over Peter, Ibragimov, Brock, Byrd
4. Kelly Pavlik - wins over Taylor (x2), KOd Miranda
5. Cotto - Wins over Mosley, Judah, Torres, Corley, Quintana, Maligigaggi

Joe has only 1-2 signifiant wins on his record. Kessler is the only one that I truly count. You can argue for Lacy, but most people agree he was overrated. He did nothing before the Joe fight and hasnt done anything since.

Like me giving you my Top Five Pound For Pound List is "proof for an argument". How you can put Klitshcko(who I like) ahead of Calzage is beyond my mortal brain, but I have to respect your opinion because that's all this is anyway. If you are using top opponents as ONE of your barometers, for this and other arguments you've given, what is so great about the Peter, Ibragimov, Brock, Byrd combo versus some of Calzage's recent opponents?

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Joe Calzage
3. Cotto
4. PacMan
5. Kelly Pavlik**

**Might be stretching it a little with Kelly given his recent rise to fame.

[bigeastbumrush]

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1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Joe Calzage
3. Cotto
4. PacMan
5. Kelly Pavlik**

**Might be stretching it a little with Kelly given his recent rise to fame.

You can't be serious.

[Vast]

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P4P for me stops after 5 guys.

1. Floyd Mayweather - Wins over Corrales, Castillo (x2), Judah, Baldomir, Chavez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Corley aond so on and so on
2. Many Pacquiao - Wins over Marquez, Barrera, Morales
3. Wladimir Klitshcko - Wins over Peter, Ibragimov, Brock, Byrd
4. Kelly Pavlik - wins over Taylor (x2), KOd Miranda
5. Cotto - Wins over Mosley, Judah, Torres, Corley, Quintana, Maligigaggi

This is a pound for pound list which means if Klitshcko was at 173 would he be as good as calzaghe??? No way bro.

Anyways i never said Joe dominated the fight in fact he didn't. I felt he was on his way to dominating. Joe's jab was starting to pop, Hop was getting tired, Joe was finally landing clean shots and then hop faked the sack punch and got his energy back.

I'll join in the fun and list my top 5 p4p.

1. Mayweather, Floyd
2. Calzaghe, Joe
3.Cotto, Miguel
4. Pavlik, Kelly
5. Pacman

[Vast]

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You can't be serious.

List your top 5 mr. ringside

[JayBee74]

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This is a pound for pound list which means if Klitshcko was at 173 would he be as good as calzaghe??? No way bro.

Anyways i never said Joe dominated the fight in fact he didn't. I felt he was on his way to dominating. Joe's jab was starting to pop, Hop was getting tired, Joe was finally landing clean shots and then hop faked the sack punch and got his energy back.

I'll join in the fun and list my top 5 p4p.

1. Mayweather, Floyd
2. Calzaghe, Joe
3.Cotto, Miguel
4. Pavlik, Kelly
5. Pacman

You can't be serious..................wait, that's my Top Five TOO!!!!!!

[bigeastbumrush]

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List your top 5 mr. ringside

1. Mayweather
2. Pacman
3. Cotto

You guys give these boxers too much credit for doing nothing worth mentioning.

P4P used to be an honor. Now it's just thrown around after every single match.

It's an incredible stretch to name 5 boxers even close to being worthy of being called P4P.

[Complex]

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Like me giving you my Top Five Pound For Pound List is "proof for an argument". How you can put Klitshcko(who I like) ahead of Calzage is beyond my mortal brain, but I have to respect your opinion because that's all this is anyway. If you are using top opponents as ONE of your barometers, for this and other arguments you've given, what is so great about the Peter, Ibragimov, Brock, Byrd combo versus some of Calzage's recent opponents?

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Joe Calzage
3. Cotto
4. PacMan
5. Kelly Pavlik**

**Might be stretching it a little with Kelly given his recent rise to fame.

I knew you couldnt come up with a list until some else posted theirs. You cant make an argument, your only argument is to attack mine. I post reasons that support mine. But like you said its your opinion.

Please name opponents better on Joe's list better than the guys you just named for Klitchso. Please take into consideration the stage of their career. This I gotta hear.

Pavlik is high on my list because the two opponents he beat were top fighters and he dominated them, knocked them out. These were not lucky shots, he outworked them something many fighters do not do esp for those two fighters.

[Complex]

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This is a pound for pound list which means if Klitshcko was at 173 would he be as good as calzaghe??? No way bro.

Anyways i never said Joe dominated the fight in fact he didn't. I felt he was on his way to dominating. Joe's jab was starting to pop, Hop was getting tired, Joe was finally landing clean shots and then hop faked the sack punch and got his energy back.

I'll join in the fun and list my top 5 p4p.

1. Mayweather, Floyd
2. Calzaghe, Joe
3.Cotto, Miguel
4. Pavlik, Kelly
5. Pacman

Please list the fighters that Joe beat to earn #2 p4p, while everyone on that list below him has more quality wins.

[aholbert32]

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Please list the fighters that Joe beat to earn #2 p4p, while everyone on that list below him has more quality wins.

I'll answer:

Kessler, Kessler.........oh and Kessler!

[Vast]

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I'll answer:

Kessler, Kessler.........oh and Kessler!

lol you guys are such Calzaghe haters. I put him #2 because he beat Lacy, he beat Kessler who i believe would rock Taylor and beat Pavlik,he just beat Hopkins who had 2 stalemates with Taylor. His other wins aren't worth noting really but its just my assesment of his skills.

I believe p4p dude is #2 because of what he brings into the ring. You guys are ragging on him because he fights at home. Dude sells out 50,000+ seats everytime he fights why would u leave that to fight if your the undisputed undefeated champ?

[Vast]

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mr. holbert u keep saying if he defeats 1 more elite dude in his prime then you'll be convinced but i personally believe its possible that Joe is past his prime. 36 aint young and hes still doin it to kats.

[Complex]

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lol you guys are such Calzaghe haters. I put him #2 because he beat Lacy, he beat Kessler who i believe would rock Taylor and beat Pavlik,he just beat Hopkins who had 2 stalemates with Taylor. His other wins aren't worth noting really but its just my assesment of his skills.

I believe p4p dude is #2 because of what he brings into the ring. You guys are ragging on him because he fights at home. Dude sells out 50,000+ seats everytime he fights why would u leave that to fight if your the undisputed undefeated champ?

Lets point out what is wrong with this argument

1. Kessler is in a different weight class.
2. You are assuming, really assuming, that because of the Hopkins vs Taylor fights automatically means a victory for Joe. Styles make fights, bad assumption.
3. You say his other wins are not worth noting, that we agree. But add Lacy to that list based on his record too which isnt worth noting.
4. P4P has always been more about who you beat, and how. Not aobut "what you bring to the ring". Lots of talented fighters bring skills to the ring and never translate that into wins.
5. Hatton sells out stadiums too, has more notable wins that Joe, does that make him P4P.

well at least i understand where you are coming from, I just do not agree with your opinions

[aholbert32]

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mr. holbert u keep saying if he defeats 1 more elite dude in his prime then you'll be convinced but i personally believe its possible that Joe is past his prime. 36 aint young and hes still doin it to kats.

You just helped make my point. He's 36 (has been fighting since 21),has 45 fights and has only fought one elite fighter in his prime. There is a problem with that. 15 yrs and one elite fight in his prime.