Countdown To Calzage-Hopkins 20 days away.

[JayBee74]

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Joe didn't impress because nobody impresses when they fight Hopkins its IMPOSSIBLE.

That's a key point. Even the once great Roy Jones didn't look that good against a less experienced Hopkins back in '93. Joe still looked better than B-Hop Saturday night.

I want JC to fight Pavlik, people are still doubting his skills this fight would put the doubters to bed.

Fight won't happen because Pavlik wants to stay at 160, and Calzage is not going to hang around that long. Does anyone know what each fighter made for this bout?

[bigeastbumrush]

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And I think his chin can withstand JC's power......

What power?

[allBthere]

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What power?

the power that's given him a greater ko percentage than hopkins...that power.

[JayBee74]

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What's the knock on JC's power anyway? I could see it if he went ballroom dancing like Cory Spinks or evaded like Pernell Whitaker but this guy comes to fight. If JC is such a light hitter why was Bernard so apprehensive about mixing it up? Why did he hold so much?

[aholbert32]

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What's the knock on JC's power anyway? I could see it if he went ballroom dancing like Cory Spinks or evaded like Pernell Whitaker but this guy comes to fight. If JC is such a light hitter why was Bernard so apprehensive about mixing it up? Why did he hold so much?

Hopkins holds against everyone. He held against Winky and Tarver too and neither of them are considered KO artists.

[JayBee74]

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Hopkins holds against everyone. He held against Winky and Tarver too and neither of them are considered KO artists.

Yeah, but they can hurt you. Wright hits harder than advertised-he's just too defensive minded.

[bigeastbumrush]

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the power that's given him a greater ko percentage than hopkins...that power.

Who was he knocking out though?

What if he fought Roy Jones around the same time RJJ fought Hopkins?

I mean we can what if all day...but just think about it. I mean the days when RJJ was knocking kids heads off.

[JayBee74]

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Who was he knocking out though?

What if he fought Roy Jones around the same time RJJ fought Hopkins?

I mean we can what if all day...but just think about it. I mean the days when RJJ was knocking kids heads off.

Jones was a dam good fighter, but his level of competition was not exactly hall of fame, and his rep took a slight hit when Tarver and Johnson KOed him.

[springs]

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Hopkins got outworked which was his problem in the Taylor fights. He doesn't do enough......

[Complex]

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Oh, so Lacy was not worthy of contention or of note. Gotcha.
And Joe lacks respect-yeah, from the haters.
Joe was joking about slipping, and it not being a knockdown. Now you have him trying to conceal how hurt he was. Maybe Congress should question him to see if he was lying about the knockdown.

In the world of boxing, Joe is still virtually unknown. He has never been even in the P4P discussion. He pretty much spent 95% of his career in this home country. 1 fight outside of his comfort zone does not change that.

[Complex]

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the power that's given him a greater ko percentage than hopkins...that power.

Power against who? Please understand that KOs include TKOs, referee stopped fights (a norm in Europe) and quittingon the stool. A high KO percentage can be deceiving esp against a fighter like Joe. If he was knocking blocks off of fighters for years, and putting guys on their backs.....trust me there would be more hype around him regardless of where he fought. But there is not.

[Complex]

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Hopkins got outworked which was his problem in the Taylor fights. He doesn't do enough......

And that is the overwhelming argument by many. Not that Joe was dancing and jabbing and moving, and rocking Hopkins, but more so that people feel Hopkins did not throw enough. And some judges like aggression, regardless if itis landing or not. There were several times the crowd "oooo and ahhhed" and Joe swung and missed.

So ultimately what many are saying is that Hopkins gave the fight away, not that Joe came and dominated and earned a hard fought victory.

[Complex]

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Hopkins holds against everyone. He held against Winky and Tarver too and neither of them are considered KO artists.

Hopkins holds and hits in the clutch, something many boxers over time do. Hell, Hatton made a career of it.

[Money99]

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Neither fighter has 'championship' level power.
JC has 2 stoppages in his last 8 fights (spanning 3.5 years) while B-hop has 1 in that same time frame.

In fact, you have to go back to 2002, over 6 years ago, when Hopkins had his 2nd to last KO.

Both guys have trouble putting opponents away who are true contenders.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, but they can hurt you. Wright hits harder than advertised-he's just too defensive minded.

Most boxers can hurt you but that wasnt your point. You said that Hopkins was concerned about his power and thats why he held and I pointed out that he held because he always holds no matter who his opponent is. Thats the way Hopkins fights and it had nothing to do with being concerned about Joe's power.

Seriously, there is a clear double standard on this site. Floyd gets accused of ducking fighters when he's fought former champs Castillo, Corrales, Oscar, Judah and Hatton all in there prime (except for Oscar). Joe gets praised for fighting one top flight fighter in Kessler, one overrated fighter in Lacy and a 43 year old Hopkins. I dont mind praising Joe because he was impressive in the Kessler fight but lets call it both ways.