Countdown To Calzage-Hopkins 20 days away.

[parker002]

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I had Joe ahead comfortably. He was definitely pitty-pat fighting, but he kept scoring points and banking rounds.

B-Hop did very little, especially in the last 2 rounds when the outcome was still in doubt.

Should have been a UD, IMO.

The fans in the arena said it all.

25% of them cheered when Calzaghe entered.

90% of them cheered when he was announced the winner.

[Complex]

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Last I checked, Fans have never cheered for Hopkins. Most hate him b/c of his brash style. They were forced to respect him b/c he was winning.

The fact that two of three cards had it close means that Joe was not ahead comfortably except on your card.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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Last I checked, Fans have never cheered for Hopkins. Most hate him b/c of his brash style. They were forced to respect him b/c he was winning.

The fact that two of three cards had it close means that Joe was not ahead comfortably except on your card.

A little home cooking, perhaps?

[Brandon13]

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Last I checked, Fans have never cheered for Hopkins. Most hate him b/c of his brash style. They were forced to respect him b/c he was winning.

The fact that two of three cards had it close means that Joe was not ahead comfortably except on your card.

115-112 is close and 116-111 is lopsided? That's only a one round turnaround.

[Complex]

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A little home cooking, perhaps?

Hopkins doesnt normally get decisions. He has to win convincingly (sp) most times. Promoters hate him, judges hate him, fans hate him. he throws down the puerto rico flag, hits winky in the face, i can go on. does this sound like a fan favorite?

[thelwig14]

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I had Joe winning comfortably and found it hard to score for Hopkins.

Hopkins rarely threw any combinations and most of his offense was one punch and clinch. And then the other ran and circled way too much (his style) and rarely initiated action. He just didn't score enough or even put himself in a position to score enough.

Joe fought a dumb fight and could have won really, really easy. He never once unleashed an uppercut and a leaning, head butting Hopkins.

And once again, Cortez is the worst, most overrated ref in the business.

[Complex]

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115-112 is close and 116-111 is lopsided? That's only a one round turnaround.

listen to what is being said in this thread on what was on tv. you would think joe dominated from start to finish. yet we saw him go down, him stunned a couple of times. he landed nothing meaningful. i dont understand what he did to get the huge lead on one judges card. the draw doesnt bother me on one judges card so much and the other had it for hopkins which most people can justify with the the KD. do the math, even stewart who hates hopkins said hopkins won the first 4-5 rounds. with one by KD of a score of 10-8. so are we saying joe pitched a dominate shut out for the remainder of the fight?

[Complex]

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I had Joe winning comfortably and found it hard to score for Hopkins.

Hopkins rarely threw any combinations and most of his offense was one punch and clinch. And then the other ran and circled way too much (his style) and rarely initiated action. He just didn't score enough or even put himself in a position to score enough.

Joe fought a dumb fight and could have won really, really easy. He never once unleashed an uppercut and a leaning, head butting Hopkins.

And once again, Cortez is the worst, most overrated ref in the business.

when a fighter like Joe who is known for charing in, throwing punches in buches and combos galore is left tentative and jumpy that means he got hit with some shots that hurt him. there is no other explanation.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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Hopkins doesnt normally get decisions. He has to win convincingly (sp) most times. Promoters hate him, judges hate him, fans hate him. he throws down the puerto rico flag, hits winky in the face, i can go on. does this sound like a fan favorite?

I guess we saw 2 different fights.

[thelwig14]

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when a fighter like Joe who is known for charing in, throwing punches in buches and combos galore is left tentative and jumpy that means he got hit with some shots that hurt him. there is no other explanation.

JC still threw 800 punches (and landed 300 or so) against a fighter who did not want to engage in any action. I would say he wasn't really thrown off his gameplan, especially if you start from the 3rd round on.

And JC landed the most punches ever against Bernard.

Bernard didn't score enough. Period. End of story. That was not a hard fight to score.

You cannot win a fight by throwing in one punch spurts and clinching and running. He wasn't even counterpunching effectively because he was getting beaten to the punch.

[Brandon13]

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listen to what is being said in this thread on what was on tv. you would think joe dominated from start to finish. yet we saw him go down, him stunned a couple of times. he landed nothing meaningful. i dont understand what he did to get the huge lead on one judges card. the draw doesnt bother me on one judges card so much and the other had it for hopkins which most people can justify with the the KD. do the math, even stewart who hates hopkins said hopkins won the first 4-5 rounds. with one by KD of a score of 10-8. so are we saying joe pitched a dominate shut out for the remainder of the fight?

I don't necessarily think Calzaghe won 116-111 but I don't think that's a horrible score either. I need to watch the fight again but 115-112 is probably what I would have had.

[bigeastbumrush]

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700 punches is Fight Night numbers.

You would think that he killed the guy.

Get the guy off his feet. Stun him or something. I don't even remember seeing a decent jab.

B-Hop wasn't aggressive. But he rarely is.

I thought he fought a good, tactiful fight and his punches landed were just way more meaningful and effective.

Joe did a alot of slapping and flailing.

Unfortunately, a Calzaghe/RJJ fight might be similar but I expect RJJ to pick him apart and win by decision if they do fight.

[thelwig14]

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700 punches is Fight Night numbers.

You would think that he killed the guy.

Get the guy off his feet. Stun him or something. I don't even remember seeing a decent jab.

B-Hop wasn't aggressive. But he rarely is.

I thought he fought a good, tactiful fight and his punches landed were just way more meaningful and effective.

Joe did a alot of slapping and flailing.

Unfortunately, a Calzaghe/RJJ fight might be similar but I expect RJJ to pick him apart and win by decision if they do fight.

I am sorry, call me an idiot but I will always favor the guy who presses the action, brings the fight to his opponent, lands the more punches (by a 100 spot), has the much higher workrate, and clinches the less.

I just can't give rounds to a guy who rarely throws a right hand counter. That is the only time he scored.

[PRGUY85]

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I am sorry, call me an idiot but I will always favor the guy who presses the action, brings the fight to his opponent, lands the more punches (by a 100 spot), has the much higher workrate, and clinches the less.

I just can't give rounds to a guy who rarely throws a right hand counter. That is the only time he scored.

I am all with you. I cannot understand how a guy who just runs the entire fight and enters with a right straight and clinches can be considered a master tactician. That is not smart boxing, thats just not fighting at all. Of course he makes everyone look ugly, whats the other guy to do, stand in the middle of the ring? Wait for him to come or run backwards himself to see if he will start coming forward? If boxers didn't follow Hopkins around, there wouldn't be a fight for it would take a miracle to see him fight forward, not going backwards and lunging in unbalanced manners.

Calzaghe won by shear activity against a guy who likes winning the fight on landing 5-10 punches a round. What if good NBA teams won games scoring 23 points, would people care about them?

[parker002]

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Last I checked, Fans have never cheered for Hopkins. Most hate him b/c of his brash style. They were forced to respect him b/c he was winning.

The fact that two of three cards had it close means that Joe was not ahead comfortably except on your card.

Joe wasn't "ahead comfortably" on my card. I had him winning 7 rounds, Hopkins winning 5.

People hate Bernard Hopkins because he's classless, inside the ring and out.