Countdown To Calzage-Hopkins 20 days away.

[Complex]

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I'm sorry but how do you know that he faked being hurt by the low blow. I dont care if you get hit in the dick or the balls...getting hit by a world class fighter in that area is going to hurt.

i agree with this. i box for leisue at my local gym, just for exercise. ive been hit in the nutz hard and it hurts and i have been hit there just right but not as hard and it feels like hell and lingers. we wernt in the ring and cant say one way or the other.

[allBthere]

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From ESPN.com


Again, if we all watched the same fight, where was the sheer domination by Calzaghe? Even giving him 4 of the last 5 rounds, I didn't seeing him outpointing B-Hop especially after a 10-8 first round. Sorry.



Wow. That's sure an unbiased way to judge a fight.

I think B-Hop should retire but not because he can't fight but because it makes no sense for him to fight anymore. I could see if Calzaghe hurt or stunned him even once during the fight. But no one can admit that they saw that happen.

hopkins was hurt in the final round you could see it in his legs for a while they went pretty wobbly.
It's not like Joe was 'hurt' by bhops punches either, You could see Calzaghe's dissapointment almost before he hit the ground, normally if you knocked down you look a little shocked. To me the knockdown was a result of positioning and balance.

at the end of it all, the guy who won the fight was also scored the winner by 2 of the judges.

Personally I wish ref's would DQ him a while ago for his clutching tactics, and maybe the last few fights Bhop would actually box and risk more. If you go by the rules of boxing, bhops last few fights he should be dq'd

[JayBee74]

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I'm sorry but how do you know that he faked being hurt by the low blow. I dont care if you get hit in the dick or the balls...getting hit by a world class fighter in that area is going to hurt.

Possibly, just my hunch given the replay, Hopkin's body language, and his general lack of character. Plus he has been known to make excuses after he loses a fight, so why not build one in?

Personally I wish ref's would DQ him a while ago for his clutching tactics, and maybe the last few fights Bhop would actually box and risk more. If you go by the rules of boxing, bhops last few fights he should be dq'd

Well, if you can get away with it. I for one have seen enough of Bernard Hopkins.

[aholbert32]

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i agree with this. i box for leisue at my local gym, just for exercise. ive been hit in the nutz hard and it hurts and i have been hit there just right but not as hard and it feels like hell and lingers. we wernt in the ring and cant say one way or the other.

Thats why I felt that the HBO commentators were ridiculous for even questioning that. **** only one of the 3 has ever boxed proffessionally so I found it hilarious that they were questioning whether he was really hurt.

Also, I thought Calzaghe was kind of exposed in this fight and in the Bika fight. He struggles against awkward fighters like Hopkins. Also this fight shouldnt have been as close as it was. Hopkins is 43 yrs old. But I knew this would happen. Check some of my old posts in this forum. When they announced this fight, I said that people would give Joe too much credit for beating someone past his prime and who is still riding off his name.

Guess what? He's going to do it again by beating Jones and then he will probably retire. I keep hearing these Pavlik vs Joe rumors but I dont see Joe doing it unless he's fighting him in Wales. Pavlik is too young and skilled and Joe doesnt want to lose his undefeated record.

[aholbert32]

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Possibly, just my hunch given the replay, Hopkin's body language, and his general lack of character. Plus he has been known to make excuses after he loses a fight, so why not build one in?

Well, if you can get away with it. I for one have seen enough of Bernard Hopkins.

My problem with that is he first complained about a low blow in Round 2!! He was clearly winning the fight then so there was no reason build in an excuse. Also, there is no dispute that the punch was below the belt and right on his cup.

[JayBee74]

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My problem with that is he first complained about a low blow in Round 2!! He was clearly winning the fight then so there was no reason build in an excuse. Also, there is no dispute that the punch was below the belt and right on his cup.

True, but that doesn't mean the later blow debilitated him. I think he was looking for a breather,a point deduction and/or sympathy from the judges. IMO the whole thing looked phony.

[JayBee74]

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Guess what? He's going to do it again by beating Jones and then he will probably retire. I keep hearing these Pavlik vs Joe rumors but I dont see Joe doing it unless he's fighting him in Wales. Pavlik is too young and skilled and Joe doesnt want to lose his undefeated record.

A Pavlik/Calzage fight would more than likely go at 168. but I don't see Joe taking that fight either. He'll take the easy money against Jones and maybe Tarver and then retire.

[allBthere]

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anyone know how i can see the post fight max kellerman interviews....i always liked kellerman, but i was in a bar and it was too noisy to hear what was being said.

[bigeastbumrush]

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hopkins was hurt in the final round you could see it in his legs for a while they went pretty wobbly.
It's not like Joe was 'hurt' by bhops punches either, You could see Calzaghe's dissapointment almost before he hit the ground, normally if you knocked down you look a little shocked. To me the knockdown was a result of positioning and balance.

at the end of it all, the guy who won the fight was also scored the winner by 2 of the judges.

Personally I wish ref's would DQ him a while ago for his clutching tactics, and maybe the last few fights Bhop would actually box and risk more. If you go by the rules of boxing, bhops last few fights he should be dq'd

B-Hop dropped him once and was a shoelace and 1 second away from dropping him a second time.

I never saw once when Hopkins was "in trouble" or hurt.

The 2 judges gave Joe an overwhelming favorable decision based on # of punches thrown and that was it.

Facts are facts man.

At that weight, at least do SOME damage to your opponent if you're throwing 700 punches. Like Kellerman said, where was Hopkins head snapping back or sweat flying from his head?

They said Joe landed jabs. Where? I saw a few in the later rounds but nothing even worth mentioning. Slaps.

I really think Jermain Taylor would knock his head off if they fought in the States. And I consider Taylor a very weak (not in strength) boxer.

Color me unimpressed with the "legend killer".

[EWRMETS]

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Of course Hopkins was never in trouble...whenever Calzaghe started attacking, Hopkins would hug him. Hopkins was unbelievably dirty. Hopkins best punches were landed when he clinched Joe and then punched him in the head. That low blow stoppage was a joke. It was obvious that Hopkins just wanted to buy time because he couldn't withstand Calzaghe's uptempo offense. Calzaghe would get knocked out by someone that can time him (because he's often off-balance), but anyone that thinks Hopkins won the fight need to take their blinders off.

[thelwig14]

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Of course Hopkins was never in trouble...whenever Calzaghe started attacking, Hopkins would hug him. Hopkins was unbelievably dirty. Hopkins best punches were landed when he clinched Joe and then punched him in the head. That low blow stoppage was a joke. It was obvious that Hopkins just wanted to buy time because he couldn't withstand Calzaghe's uptempo offense. Calzaghe would get knocked out by someone that can time him (because he's often off-balance), but anyone that thinks Hopkins won the fight need to take their blinders off.

Exactly. JC was getting CLINCHED everytime he engaged.

Regardless, I never want to hear anymore "gangsta" or "executiona" or "hood rat" or any other crap to describe Hopkins. He has no dawg in him. He is a clinching machine and has lost every fight against someone who has brough the fight to him. And he made a career of beating up on smaller middleweights. These are all facts.

If I was JC, I would go on the retired circuit and do everything in my power to avoid Pavlik. I think Pavlik would time him and knock his head off. I don't think there are any other fighters that I would guarantee a victory against JC.

[JayBee74]

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B-Hop dropped him once and was a shoelace and 1 second away from dropping him a second time.

The punch at the end of the round? Now we are giving Bernard extra credit for "almost knockdown punches"-that wasn't one.

I really think Jermain Taylor would knock his head off if they fought in the States. And I consider Taylor a very weak (not in strength) boxer.

Beat Bernard Hopkins twice and he's a weak fighter? And yet this weak fighter(Taylor) would dismantle a fighter with a 45-0 record?

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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I'll stand by what I said earlier. Comfortably ahead being that B-Hop needed a KO to win. And that was obvious from the 4th or 5th round on...he was getting outworked and outpointed. One guy was boxing and the other one wrestling.

[JayBee74]

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Comments from Calzage after the fight:
"But my wins over Mikkel Kessler and Jeff Lacy rate as being more satisfying because in those fights I performed at my best.
"I am still satisfied with the win but I didn't win in the style that I wanted to win.
"I felt he cheated. He was holding on the second half of the fight, he was using his head and feigning injury."

[allBthere]

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B-Hop dropped him once and was a shoelace and 1 second away from dropping him a second time.

I never saw once when Hopkins was "in trouble" or hurt.

The 2 judges gave Joe an overwhelming favorable decision based on # of punches thrown and that was it.

Facts are facts man.

At that weight, at least do SOME damage to your opponent if you're throwing 700 punches. Like Kellerman said, where was Hopkins head snapping back or sweat flying from his head?

They said Joe landed jabs. Where? I saw a few in the later rounds but nothing even worth mentioning. Slaps.

I really think Jermain Taylor would knock his head off if they fought in the States. And I consider Taylor a very weak (not in strength) boxer.

Color me unimpressed with the "legend killer".

aside from hopkins well-timed knockdown, he has done nothing to impress me.

who is a better boxer, hopkins or calzaghe? it's obvious, bernard doesnt even actually 'box'. I saw joe hit hopkins pretty hard a good number of times. You sound like the critics of JC calling his punches 'slaps', I think he's proven over his career that his punches hurt, it's kind of petty to say that about him.

you obviously just prefer hopkins or are a fan etc...and that taylor comment came from way out in left field, there is no reason to assume taylor would ko calzaghe, i think kessler hits harder than him, so ??? in fact i think kessler could beat taylor too.

bernard's right punch and quickly grab tactics need to stop...you can't just clinch all the time like that (at least you shouldn't be allowed to as per the rules) it doesn't 'take two to tango' for a clinch either like someone mentioned...if bernard throws a right and hooks your arms down, that had nothing to do with you agreeing to the clinch or anything. all you have to do is look at each fighters past bouts to know that this clinching was all bernard.
I don't get how anyone respects such a dirty boxer who doesn't even 'box'.

I think calzaghe made this fight as exciting as possible under the circumstances (bhop) ...why would anyone want to see bernard fight again, especially since it's so deliberate on his part to make a mockery of the sport?

in the end calzaghe won (facts are facts man) and that's it.

about the punch stats, forget calzaghe's numbers,...look how pathetic bhops numbers are...a 12 round fight throwing 30 odd punches per round??? and landing 150 over a whole fight??? TERRIBLE