Countdown To Calzage-Hopkins 20 days away.

[JayBee74]

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Joe was not hurt?

Wow, real demonstrative. Looks like he needs an ambulance or something.

Jaybee,

You are better than that. Just because the guy has a belt doesnt mean he's a great or even good fighter. The only name fighter Lacy ever beat was Robin Reid who was past his prime when he fought Lacy.

Golly gee, thanks for the reaffirmation of my good character or my boxing acumen or whatever the he!! you're talking about, but I never said Lacy was a great fighter. I said he was a top fighter, certainly a name fighter which Complex originally disputed. That's all I said and as IBF world champion he was at the top of his division-never said he was an all time great.

[allBthere]

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Joe was not hurt?

i could take frame of almost anyone doing everyday things and make them look ********. Watch it in motion...joe looks dissapointed more than anything as soon as his butt hit the ground. Did he look dazed afterward? not to me, in fact he was still backing hopkins up...if he was so hurt, why didn't and why couldn't hopkins finish him? answer - because he was in no danger of being ko'd. You're acting like that was some huge knockdown or something,...it really wasn't THAT big of a deal, you're almost arguing hopkins should have one based on this alone.

Bernard made the claim, as are you to an extent that his face wasn't mangled after 240 hits. What is this logic? calzaghe landed more shots than any bernard opponent EVER...does that mean hopkins deserves to be undefeated?
Also Joe just had that little cut on his nose from the knockdown...he didn't really look worse for wear either...it's just not a good argument.

again, watch the video and try to tell me joe was in DANGER of being KO'd as would be the case if you're truly hurt.

[aholbert32]

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Wow, real demonstrative. Looks like he needs an ambulance or something.

Golly gee, thanks for the reaffirmation of my good character or my boxing acumen or whatever the he!! you're talking about, but I never said Lacy was a great fighter. I said he was a top fighter, certainly a name fighter which Complex originally disputed. That's all I said and as IBF world champion he was at the top of his division-never said he was an all time great.

Being the holder of a belt doesnt necessarily make you a top fighter. Lacey wasnt a top fighter when he faced Calzaghe. He was a name fighter because of his exposure. The point remains that Calzaghe has only beat one top fighter in his prime.

[thelwig14]

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Adding another to the ignore list. What a biased, blind...

[PSU_DW2]

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Joe was not hurt?

He was blinking there. It was a flash knockdown, but it wasn't a shoulder push like some have suggested. It was a legitimate knockdown, a perfectly timed punch that Hopkins waited patiently to throw. Joe may have won the fight, but the Executioner did impose his will on Calzaghe and took a little bit of Joe in that match.

Both are great champions and fought their fight. Joe won over 2 of the judges with his fast combos, and Bernard wound up punches, timed Calzaghe coming in and threw his powershots. He only won over 1 judge. It was a very close match, but Bernard can always say that he knocked Joe down and Joe could not hurt him.

Where does Calzaghe go from here? So many possibilities. One thing we learned from this fight is that Calzaghe is beatable, it just takes a very determined man to do it. RJJ may be Calzaghe's achilles heel when all is said and done. Because Roy has always been at his best when fighters lunge in and come at him...

[cjallure24]

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Where does Calzaghe go from here? So many possibilities. One thing we learned from this fight is that Calzaghe is beatable, it just takes a very determined man to do it. RJJ may be Calzaghe's achilles heel when all is said and done. Because Roy has always been at his best when fighters lunge in and come at him...

I watched this fight three times now before coming onto this fourm....And what I saw was a fight that BHop let slip away.The European style is to put pressure on there opponent and force them to fight.BHop pretty much ran and clinch the entire fight.He was throwing one punch and clinching......The one fight I saw that gave JC a pretty hard time was Mekkel Kessler who had a consistent jab and followed with combinations.BHop dissappointed me in this fight......Once JC caught on to what BHop was doing BHop never ajusted to it and kept on with the same conservative gameplan....All the credit goes to JC because he did win that fight hands down,but granted BHop made it easier then it should have been.

Who I would like to see JC fight next?....I would like to see RJJ.Reason being is that Roy is a puncher.And I think his chin can withstand JC's power......Two guys who love to let the fist go make a very exciting fight......

[Complex]

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Wow, real demonstrative. Looks like he needs an ambulance or something.

Golly gee, thanks for the reaffirmation of my good character or my boxing acumen or whatever the he!! you're talking about, but I never said Lacy was a great fighter. I said he was a top fighter, certainly a name fighter which Complex originally disputed. That's all I said and as IBF world champion he was at the top of his division-never said he was an all time great.

By mentioning him you are saying he is worthy of note in Joe's career. I tend to think that win did nothing for him as we have not heard from Lacy since.

[Complex]

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i could take frame of almost anyone doing everyday things and make them look ********. Watch it in motion...joe looks dissapointed more than anything as soon as his butt hit the ground. Did he look dazed afterward? not to me, in fact he was still backing hopkins up...if he was so hurt, why didn't and why couldn't hopkins finish him? answer - because he was in no danger of being ko'd. You're acting like that was some huge knockdown or something,...it really wasn't THAT big of a deal, you're almost arguing hopkins should have one based on this alone.

Bernard made the claim, as are you to an extent that his face wasn't mangled after 240 hits. What is this logic? calzaghe landed more shots than any bernard opponent EVER...does that mean hopkins deserves to be undefeated?
Also Joe just had that little cut on his nose from the knockdown...he didn't really look worse for wear either...it's just not a good argument.

again, watch the video and try to tell me joe was in DANGER of being KO'd as would be the case if you're truly hurt.

So let me get this straight, cause there are lots of thoughts in this thread.

Iron chin (as mentioned in this thread) Joe was KD by an over the hill, slow Bernard Hopkins.

See you cant diss Hop in one breath and call him great and then diss him in the second breath to favor another fighter. Boxing does not work that way.

[Complex]

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He was blinking there. It was a flash knockdown, but it wasn't a shoulder push like some have suggested. It was a legitimate knockdown, a perfectly timed punch that Hopkins waited patiently to throw. Joe may have won the fight, but the Executioner did impose his will on Calzaghe and took a little bit of Joe in that match.

Both are great champions and fought their fight. Joe won over 2 of the judges with his fast combos, and Bernard wound up punches, timed Calzaghe coming in and threw his powershots. He only won over 1 judge. It was a very close match, but Bernard can always say that he knocked Joe down and Joe could not hurt him.

Where does Calzaghe go from here? So many possibilities. One thing we learned from this fight is that Calzaghe is beatable, it just takes a very determined man to do it. RJJ may be Calzaghe's achilles heel when all is said and done. Because Roy has always been at his best when fighters lunge in and come at him...

I do not totally agree with this argument but I understand what you are saying overall.

But its funny how people are discrediting that KD like it was luck or something. Even Steward, a notorious Hopkins *****, said "No one has every dominated Hopkins in the ring". Not even for 1 second was Hopkins in any trouble during the fight.

[Money99]

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Great fight. I enjoyed it immensely.

But unlike the AP I had the fight going to JC, just like Ledderman did.
And I do believe that Calzaghe had B-hop hurt on a couple of occassions.

Anyway, great fight and the outcome was correct.

For once, boxing got it right; free fight, two great fighters, right decision.

[JayBee74]

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So let me get this straight, cause there are lots of thoughts in this thread.

Iron chin (as mentioned in this thread) Joe was KD by an over the hill, slow Bernard Hopkins.

See you cant diss Hop in one breath and call him great and then diss him in the second breath to favor another fighter. Boxing does not work that way.

Being flash knock downed is not the same as reaching drooling Cooney-like unconsciousness. You're really going overboard to try to make your point.**

By mentioning him you are saying he is worthy of note in Joe's career. I tend to think that win did nothing for him as we have not heard from Lacy since.

I mentioned him because you said Calzage has never beaten a NAME opponent. You didn't say Hall Of Fame, Greatest Of All Time, or reincarnation of Archie Moore. And to say that the fight that put Calzage on the map is not "worthy of note" in his career is just you trying too hard to make your point.**

Great fight. I enjoyed it immensely.

But unlike the AP I had the fight going to JC, just like Ledderman did.
And I do believe that Calzaghe had B-hop hurt on a couple of occassions.

Anyway, great fight and the outcome was correct.

For once, boxing got it right; free fight, two great fighters, right decision.

I thought it was a good intense fight and enjoyed it throughly given who the combatants were, but I didn't think it was a "great fight".

Good article on East Side Boxing's website about the fight. Entitled "I Was Wrong About Calzage" the writer explains why he picked Hopkins and why it didn't happen the way he thought it would. Good read even for those who disagree with him.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=15338&more=1

[Complex]

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Being flash knock downed is not the same as reaching drooling Cooney-like unconsciousness. You're really going overboard to try to make your point.**

I mentioned him because you said Calzage has never beaten a NAME opponent. You didn't say Hall Of Fame, Greatest Of All Time, or reincarnation of Archie Moore. And to say that the fight that put Calzage on the map is not "worthy of note" in his career is just you trying too hard to make your point.**

I thought it was a good intense fight and enjoyed it throughly given who the combatants were, but I didn't think it was a "great fight".

Good article on East Side Boxing's website about the fight. Entitled "I Was Wrong About Calzage" the writer explains why he picked Hopkins and why it didn't happen the way he thought it would. Good read even for those who disagree with him.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=15338&more=1

You are going on two different extremes with the KD. Joe said out of his own mouth he only got hurt once, then later retracted the statement in the same minute. Maybe he mispoke like Clinton.

The issue is our definition of "Named" opponent. Named means worthy of contention or of note. Lacy was not at that level and if beating him put Joe in the map, no wonder no he still lacks respect.

[headrulz101]

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Watched the fight today (was at UFC 83 Saturday!), and I believe that JC won the match fair and square. Heck, that first round KD hurt him, but after that round he went back to his old self and started letting them go on Hopkins. It wasn't a blowout, but JC landed some good punches, whereas Hopkins kept clinching the whole fight (making it a very boring one!). Not to mention, the acting that he put on in the later rounds.

It was a tough, but good win for JC.

[JayBee74]

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You are going on two different extremes with the KD. Joe said out of his own mouth he only got hurt once, then later retracted the statement in the same minute. Maybe he mispoke like Clinton.

The issue is our definition of "Named" opponent. Named means worthy of contention or of note. Lacy was not at that level and if beating him put Joe in the map, no wonder no he still lacks respect.

Oh, so Lacy was not worthy of contention or of note. Gotcha.
And Joe lacks respect-yeah, from the haters.
Joe was joking about slipping, and it not being a knockdown. Now you have him trying to conceal how hurt he was. Maybe Congress should question him to see if he was lying about the knockdown.

[Vast]

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I thought it was a good fight. There was early drama, there was controversy so yeah good fight.
I mentioned i thought Joe would knockout Hopkins because i really don't like him, not because i thought it would actually happen.

Anyways Hopkins caught Joe with a great right that would've ended the night against many other boxers, but Joe showed tremendous heart and an Iron chin because he wasn't phased by it and still took the fight to Hopkins despite HOpkins "cheesy" style.
Its almost impossible to get knocked out if whenever you throw a hard right it's immediately followed by a girly clinch.

Joe was starting to put it on Hopkins when he faked the low blow pain which took a lot of momentum from Joe. The punch was below the belt but it wasn't in the balls. The guy was on the floor crying for goodness sakes, you know it wasn't that serious he's wearing a huge pad there and it wasn't a direct hit so stop it. He even tried it again 2 rounds later and the ref was like STOP IT fight, and b-hops face went from fake pain to serious instantly.

Joe won the fight on points, hopkins although landed the cleaner stronger shots, ran and clinched most of the time and fought dirty and did a lot of acting. Joe didn't impress because nobody impresses when they fight Hopkins its IMPOSSIBLE.

Hopkins age is not a factor, dude is in better shape than a ton of boxers half his age and his skills have not diminished.

I want JC to fight Pavlik, people are still doubting his skills this fight would put the doubters to bed.