Button mashing gone from Fight Night Round 4!!

[Vast]

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I did, actually. I had a pretty in depth talk with Brizzo about it. The whole team generally felt that the using TPC allowed for a wider range of controls for a realistic experience, and they are working hard to tweak TPC. I think the best tweak would simply be to ditch the curving.

Well im glad you were there then. You voiced your concern and spoke to the Devs face to face. They're still tweaking it so thats good news.

Technically if your holding the right stick directly to the left already it only takes a split second to perform the curving motion.

[Darxide]

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Well im glad you were there then. You voiced your concern and spoke to the Devs face to face. They're still tweaking it so thats good news.

Technically if your holding the right stick directly to the left already it only takes a split second to perform the curving motion.

What if I'm conboing the hook after the cross or jab? What if I want to throw a right hook? Why would I be holding the stick to the left? Directional blocking is gone in Round 4, so there wouldn't be anyreason to just be holding the stick to the left.

[utexas]

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This is great news because it is a step in the sim direction. The buttons highlighted other problems when used head to head. The speed at which guys could throw power hooks was so unrealistic. IN rd 3 the fatigue wasn't strict enough, so button guys could go for glory every round with hook after hook with very little penalty. Thsi with the parrying being removed is a step in the right direction. Boxing is about the science of punching, not punching as much/quick as possible. Very good decision.

[DLloydTV]

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I personally rather use the stick instead of the buttons so i wont bother me any

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Tex, we're gonna have to throw hands again. We had some good scraps. I've been getting a few rounds in with another one of my boys lately. It's such a great game when you fight against the right people.

[Vast]

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What if I'm conboing the hook after the cross or jab? What if I want to throw a right hook? Why would I be holding the stick to the left? Directional blocking is gone in Round 4, so there wouldn't be anyreason to just be holding the stick to the left.

i dont see the problem your seeing. you have to be fast and precise with your inputs to execute that combo. IMO its not even that hard to execute. Hooks take longer to throw in real life than a jab or straight. In game now it will be a split second longer to execute than a jab or a cross.

I was just saying to hold left as an example. that its only one slight extra motion after flicking to the right. and it actually emulates the motion of the punch.

The only problem i could see some people having with this system is accidentally throwing a hook when trying to uppercut and vice versa.

[Keith121212]

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This is great news because it is a step in the sim direction. The buttons highlighted other problems when used head to head. The speed at which guys could throw power hooks was so unrealistic. IN rd 3 the fatigue wasn't strict enough, so button guys could go for glory every round with hook after hook with very little penalty. Thsi with the parrying being removed is a step in the right direction. Boxing is about the science of punching, not punching as much/quick as possible. Very good decision.

Agreed. Everyone is on the same playing field with this too. Button guys always had an advantage. All the button guys just have to adjust and it would be nice if they could realize that instead of whining. All of this whining might just get EA to get the design team to put the buttons back in and then the game will be arcade again.

[Darxide]

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Agreed. Everyone is on the same playing field with this too. Button guys always had an advantage.

See, this is what I don't get. Why would you want to use an inferior control scheme?

[Darxide]

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i dont see the problem your seeing. you have to be fast and precise with your inputs to execute that combo. IMO its not even that hard to execute.

It's not hard- it's slower than it should be, because the curving motion takes slightly more time than pressing the button.

Hooks take longer to throw in real life than a jab or straight. In game now it will be a split second longer to execute than a jab or a cross.

I'm not talking about a single hook- I'm talking in a combination.

The only problem i could see some people having with this system is accidentally throwing a hook when trying to uppercut and vice versa.

Which is true- how many fighters have lost because they "accidentally" threw a punch different than the punch they wanted? Doesn't happen in real life, shouldn't happen in the game.

[Bamtino]

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Going TPC exclusive is a terrible, terrible, terrible decision...

If this is true and there is no option to use the buttons to throw punches then this game has officially gone to rental status for me...TPC was poorly implemented in all the previous FN games, it was way too slow and unresponsive...Nobody i ever played with used the sticks because of those reasons...That's also why TPC guys always cry about button users, they can't keep up...

I am willing to learn, in fact i had it down pretty good in FNR3 but it was a blatantly poor gameplay mechanic and typical EA marketing gimmick...Now the entire gameplay of the game rides on the shoulders of a former gimmick? I really hope this new team made some serious changes in TPC or else im going to have to pass on this game...

[Gambeino]

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Imagine if the boxing commissioner said all boxers can only use GRANT made gloves because they it's a better fit for the hands, and EVERLAST is the thing of the past, the boxing world. WHAT!?, do you know the uproar that would happen, this is similar to what going on which the buttons and analog. And boxer that are forced to wear a glove that don't want to feel they are at a disadvantage.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Going TPC exclusive is a terrible, terrible, terrible decision...

If this is true and there is no option to use the buttons to throw punches then this game has officially gone to rental status for me...TPC was poorly implemented in all the previous FN games, it was way too slow and unresponsive...Nobody i ever played with used the sticks because of those reasons...That's also why TPC guys always cry about button users, they can't keep up...

I am willing to learn, in fact i had it down pretty good in FNR3 but it was a blatantly poor gameplay mechanic and typical EA marketing gimmick...Now the entire gameplay of the game rides on the shoulders of a former gimmick? I really hope this new team made some serious changes in TPC or else im going to have to pass on this game...

Slow and unresponsive? We must have been playing different games because the sticks in Round 3 work fine to me. I have no problem doing what I want to do when I want. I wish I could've recorded some of the fights me and utexas had last night. They were epic battles between two guys who don't touch the buttons lol.

[JayBee74]

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Agreed. Everyone is on the same playing field with this too. Button guys always had an advantage. All the button guys just have to adjust and it would be nice if they could realize that instead of whining. All of this whining might just get EA to get the design team to put the buttons back in and then the game will be arcade again.

Newsflash-whether this game gets an arcade designation will have little to do with buttons or sticks.

[Gambeino]

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Pressure sensitive buttons are the future of boxing games, boxers don't keep the same power behind there punches to throw there opponent off, throw a light jab tap the button you have a crisp stiff jab press the button harder( a la Wladimir Klitscho), you can't do that with no analog. There is no variety of power behind the punches with the analog all the same. Fighters like roy jones jr in his prime could throw 7 HOOKS in a sec, you can't do that with no analog, maybe a jab. Anyway pressure sensitive buttons is the future, adds variety of power behind punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCahfz15US8&feature=related

he through 7 hooks in a sec and then the barage after that. analog what!?

[Bamtino]

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Slow and unresponsive? We must have been playing different games because the sticks in Round 3 work fine to me. I have no problem doing what I want to do when I want. I wish I could've recorded some of the fights me and utexas had last night. They were epic battles between two guys who don't touch the buttons lol.

No we were playing the exact same game...

I don't deny you can have a good fight with TPC, i believe you on that man...Its just i don't find the previous TPC configuration useful nor skillfull...Everyone knows that combination's (specifically hook combo's) are slower and much less fluid with TPC, that is common knowledge...The way TPC was implemented with that curving motion is simply no good, took too long to throw a punch and its too easy to screw up hence the unresponsiveness...I can't tell you how many times i tried to throw an uppercut but ended up with a hook...I refuse to believe that hasn't happened to anyone at least over a handful of times and that should never happen in a boxing game...

The buttons were never a problem, they didn't make the game feel arcadey, the crap stamina system did...The button complaints were just a scapegoat for TPC elitists who would take a beating online...