Official Slider Discussion Thread

[acts238shaun]

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This is where I am right now:


Champion - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 7
Speed - 5
Damage - 10
Toughness - 10
Stamina - 2
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 0
CPU OAI - 10
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output - 0

I noticed guys were getting easy to KO because their health was running out too fast. Their health was running out too fast because their stamina was getting too low.

I edited Hagler and Keyshawn Hayes because they are about the same size. I set Hagler's athletics at all 100 except speed and reflexes, which was 75. I set Hayes as all 100 except strength and toughness, which was 75. I set Hagler's damage attributes to 75, Hayes to 99. This mirrors the whole power vs speed deal and show how much of a difference the sliders make.

Hayes lands at about a 40% clip as the CPU, with Hagler I land about 40%. When I use Hayes it's the same way. As Hagler I usually ***ch Hayes and KO him before the end of the fight, about round 8 on average. Using Hayes I keep my distance and can jab my way to victory, as long as Hagler doesn't ***ch me. This is where I miss the 1pko's and the element that brought.

Let me know what you guys think. I am really liking these. They are a challenge and versus a better fighter I lose rounds.

[Jdoug312]

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Shaun, whats keeping you from going up to GOAT?

[acts238shaun]

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At the moment I am able to get beat on Champion. I am testing on GOAT, just not happy with a setup just yet.

[celticboy25]

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This is where I am right now:


Champion - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 7
Speed - 5
Damage - 10
Toughness - 10
Stamina - 2
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 0
CPU OAI - 10
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output - 0

I noticed guys were getting easy to KO because their health was running out too fast. Their health was running out too fast because their stamina was getting too low.

I edited Hagler and Keyshawn Hayes because they are about the same size. I set Hagler's athletics at all 100 except speed and reflexes, which was 75. I set Hayes as all 100 except strength and toughness, which was 75. I set Hagler's damage attributes to 75, Hayes to 99. This mirrors the whole power vs speed deal and show how much of a difference the sliders make.

Hayes lands at about a 40% clip as the CPU, with Hagler I land about 40%. When I use Hayes it's the same way. As Hagler I usually ***ch Hayes and KO him before the end of the fight, about round 8 on average. Using Hayes I keep my distance and can jab my way to victory, as long as Hagler doesn't ***ch me. This is where I miss the 1pko's and the element that brought.

Let me know what you guys think. I am really liking these. They are a challenge and versus a better fighter I lose rounds.

thanks for posting these. are you seeing cuts/swelling with these? i am seeing lots of bruising or redness, but no cuts or swelling. it's especially true on my fighter. i fought ali using a CAB joe louis today and got beat pretty soundly. ali was picking me apart with quick combos and all i could do was land the occasional hook/uppercut. i was knocked down twice, but going into the 8th round, i had 0% damage and my face looked untouched. ali on the other hand looked pretty marked up, but no swelling or cuts.
have you seen anything like this?

[Jdoug312]

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^I think toughness might affect cuts vs bruising. Not sure 100% yet, but this seems to be the case.

That said, I do see cuts and stuff, but seeing bruising alot more, which is realistic to a certain point.

[Jdoug312]

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Just had an awesome fight watching the cpu go at it, Ali vs Tyson. I did a write up, but I accidentally hit backspace and don't feel like retyping it all. Used shaun's sliders exactly except on GOAT difficulty, and punch speed 4.

Round 12 Ali is up 3 points even though Tyson had knocked him down twice. Ali knocks Tyson down (his 1st knockdown) and Tyson was so drained that he literally crawled on his knees trying to get up, didn't even make it partially up, just fell over on his back. The ref didn't stop counting and show Ali winning, he kept counting. Tyson didn't get up and was counted out, Ali wins. It wasn't one of those knockdowns where the person falls straight to their knees, no. Tyson started off on his face, crawled to his knees, then tipped over on his back.

First time seeing that, it was awesome.

[DurtySoufReppin]

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Just fought a fight with your updated sliders...

Love them so far.. everything seems good...

I fought Ricky Hatton with De La Hoya knocked him out in 5 and won every round..

I'm gonna try to go heavy weight and let CPU have the better fighter to see if I should move up to GOAT


edit:

Just fought ALi with Frazier.... He dominated me.. Couldn't get inside... should have cut the ring off earlier....

good fight though... I will continue to test these out on my legacy mode

[eeyor]

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So I messed with the sliders a bit yesterday. I turned every on in cinematic mode just to see what is going on and I think I found a potential problem: Counters. I fought frazier with ali and noticed that after the patch and with counter window on 0 I had maybe 1-2 counters on each side. Since perfect block is gone, the cpu never really lands a counter. That could also be the problem of the flash knockdowns and kos as especially the kos nearly always came from counter shots. So what I did is increase the counter window to 10 and voila, had a better amount of counters landed, and especially saw more flash knockdowns again.
Another thing that came with the reduction of one punch kos is the toughness. With toughness at 10 every darn knockdown in the earlier rounds is easy to get up. So I reduced toughness. Stamina especially on HW was an issue for me because even guys like frazier who could go 20 rounds if he wanted to, tired after the first few rounds.

Champion - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 5/6
Speed - 2/3
Damage - 10
Toughness - 2
Stamina - 6
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 7
CPU OAI - 10
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output -0

[Jdoug312]

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Toughness doesn't effect the user's ability to get up from knockdowns.

[eeyor]

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it's about the cpus ability
the tougher they are the more easy they go up

[Jdoug312]

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^ I think stamina is the biggest factor in that. With toughness at 10 Ali knocked Tyson down in the 12th round. It was the first time Tyson went down, but he couldn't beat the 10 count.

[DurtySoufReppin]

Re: Official Slider Discussion Thread

So I messed with the sliders a bit yesterday. I turned every on in cinematic mode just to see what is going on and I think I found a potential problem: Counters. I fought frazier with ali and noticed that after the patch and with counter window on 0 I had maybe 1-2 counters on each side. Since perfect block is gone, the cpu never really lands a counter. That could also be the problem of the flash knockdowns and kos as especially the kos nearly always came from counter shots. So what I did is increase the counter window to 10 and voila, had a better amount of counters landed, and especially saw more flash knockdowns again.
Another thing that came with the reduction of one punch kos is the toughness. With toughness at 10 every darn knockdown in the earlier rounds is easy to get up. So I reduced toughness. Stamina especially on HW was an issue for me because even guys like frazier who could go 20 rounds if he wanted to, tired after the first few rounds.

Champion - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 5/6
Speed - 2/3
Damage - 10
Toughness - 2
Stamina - 6
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 7
CPU OAI - 10
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output -0

I kinda liked the Stamina at 2 and the Power at 7

With the power at 7 you have to be more cautious against power fighters.. and that's the way it should be... with the power so low.. speed boxers have a bigger advantage...

With the stamina on 2 I through over 600 punches and my stamina was still pretty high so I could only imagine what it would be on 6.. maybe 3 or 4 but not 6 IMO...

Also I knocked out Ricky Hatton in round 6 the first time and he didn't get up with the toughness on 10

I agree with the Counter Window though

[Sausage]

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Champion - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 5/6
Speed - 2/3
Damage - 10
Toughness - 2
Stamina - 6
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 7
CPU OAI - 10
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output -0

I like the directions your heading with these. Keep updating any changes you make.

[acts238shaun]

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Grea fight with these! My 1st Fights @ GOAT.

GOAT - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 8
Speed - 5
Damage - 10
Toughness - 10
Stamina - 0
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 0
CPU OAI - 0
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output - 1

[fistofrage]

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Grea fight with these! My 1st Fights @ GOAT.

GOAT - 2 mins
Ref Sliders - 10
Power - 8
Speed - 5
Damage - 10
Toughness - 10
Stamina - 0
Accuracy - 0
Cntr Window - 0
CPU OAI - 0
CPU DAI - 10
Punch Output - 1

Isn't the AI dead by round 6 on these. I was using similar sliders, but with stamina at 5 and they AI was dying. I was also getting too many early knockdowns and little damage. I'm on the 360, and from what I have been reading the PS3 is better.

But with these settings, I would be shocked if you ever got a decision.

Post some stats from your fights, hopefully you can find the magic bullet, good luck.