Official Slider Discussion Thread

[Jukeman]

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Jukeman,

are you sure that with speed at 0 the legacy mode will be fine?

Specially the training and mid-to-late fights in legacy.

I personally auto train and always get two training sessions in

as for speed, you will feel the boxers progress in the speed of their punches as you progress up the rankings...

That was something I wasnt noticing in my last legacy...Also the game just seems less arcadey with the speed slider low

[CountryBoy74]

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Cool

[dorismary]

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Jukeman can you please change my sliders to
Champion
RFA 10
RDA 10
B POW 8
B SPEED 2
BPD 4
BT 3
CPU OA 0
CPU DA 0
CPU PO 3

with my skill level I get alot different matches and heavyweights really go for the kill .
If you do need to adjust anything for your skill level keep it to the last 3 sliders.
Man this game is a blast !

[nunogomes]

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I personally auto train and always get two training sessions in

as for speed, you will feel the boxers progress in the speed of their punches as you progress up the rankings...

That was something I wasnt noticing in my last legacy...Also the game just seems less arcadey with the speed slider low

Ok, thanks for your answer!

So, you auto-train? I thought that might slow down our progress, since you only get halve the points possible (but i guess your skills can compensate that).

[Wesman]

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Ok, thanks for your answer!

So, you auto-train? I thought that might slow down our progress, since you only get halve the points possible (but i guess your skills can compensate that).

That and the fact that if you bomb out in training (which does happen, even to me and im pretty good at most of them) you get less points than auto training.

[parker002]

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That and the fact that if you bomb out in training (which does happen, even to me and im pretty good at most of them) you get less points than auto training.

So are you auto-training now? Are you still using my sliders?

[Wesman]

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So are you auto-training now? Are you still using my sliders?

No - except when Im facing a really hard opponent and I need to score 25000 in sparring and havent been able to do it. I'd rather get +2 than 1!


Anyway - No, not using those cause once I got to the super hyped up opponents in the top 8 or so on legacy mode I was getting my *** handed to me left and right. I went back to my old sliders and adjusted from there. I'm still having problems though, lost 2 out of my last three matches, both against the same guy - his ratings are comparable to mine, but his chin and toughness are nearing 100 - its HARD TO HURT HIM.

Lost in a 10th rd KO 2 fights ago, then won a comeback fight against the #11 ranked contender and then went for a re-match with this guy, who is now #5. Lost a 10 round decision, 93-95, 92-96, 94-95. I Stunned him only 3 times in the fight, once in the first and 2x in the 8th. I was stunned a lot and put on the mat once in the 1st, 4th and 10th. I feel I would have won had I been able to stay on my feet. 1st round knockdown was a flash KO, will post video of it. I, like Juke am liking my "against the ropes" and corner game with these sliders, but as the video will show, I was working it like Mike really would - but I got careless and got caught with 3 good shots back to back to back.

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Here are the sliders: (Juke don't update yet, I'm still tweaking power / toughness / damage.)

BTW in a 10 rounder, I threw 646 punches, opponent threw 636. pretty even, I was shocked. One thing I cannot stand is when the Super opponents get all gun happy and throw 1000 punches in a fight to my 400 - AND NEVER GET TIRED... So I have adjusted for that. I still find these challenging against the top dogs, and easy KO's are just that.

Pro
Saved by bell - off
3 Knock down Rule - NO
Ref Foul Awr - 10
Ref Dam Awr - 10
Power - 5
Speed - 3
Damage - 8
Toughness - 1
CPU Off Awr - 3
CPU def Awr - 5
CPU Punch Output - 2

I think it is important that you play this set with the HUD OFF.
Camera - Wide.

Edit:

I feel it merits mentioning: These sliders are designed for Legacy mode only - I imagine they would be way easy in Play now. Also, my legacy is Mike Tyson, he is 5'10 with like a 71 inch reach. Most of the people I am fighting have 76 - 78 inch reaches. This means its hard to counter cause they are able to easily move back from my punches - getting inside and staying inside is tough. These settings may be pretty easy with a boxer that is mobile and uses a normal / long reach.

[acts238shaun]

Re: Official Slider Discussion Thread

Jukeman,

are you sure that with speed at 0 the legacy mode will be fine?

Specially the training and mid-to-late fights in legacy.

Speed should be changed for some training games, especially those having trouble with combos. With speed maxed out I still have a hard time due to the fickle nature of the stick punching at times.

[Wesman]

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God, I lost to that guy again! This time I was KO'd in the 10th. I dropped him once in the 7th - but he still got a 9...

Anyway I was down 4 times, 2x in the 6th and 2x in the 9th.

Bah. I think I need to raise toughness.

[acts238shaun]

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I feel it merits mentioning: These sliders are designed for Legacy mode only - I imagine they would be way easy in Play now. Also, my legacy is Mike Tyson, he is 5'10 with like a 71 inch reach. Most of the people I am fighting have 76 - 78 inch reaches. This means its hard to counter cause they are able to easily move back from my punches - getting inside and staying inside is tough. These settings may be pretty easy with a boxer that is mobile and uses a normal / long reach.

This is OT, but I came across this glitch in legacy has anyone seen this? Right now I hold all three belts. I beat the other champion and then after a mandatory defense he had the belt again. No biggie as he was a 69 OVR, I just assumed the EABC stripped me so I beat him again and won the belt again. It still shows him in the rankings as a champion. I won't fight him anymore because I am scared if I hold five belts I will glitch the game and it will freeze.

Anyway, back on topic. In my heavyweight legacy I am a 6'2" fighter with a 75" reach. Most fighters in heavyweight class seem to have a reach from 76" to 82", meaning I am at a reach and height disadvantage most fights. It rare I fight against a shorter fighter or one with a lesser reach. For probably 80-85% of my legacy fights I used a slight variation of Parker's sliders, listed below and they worked well for me. Don't let my record fool you, it wasn't easy. I am fairly good at countering now, thanks to training for the body spammers. Fighting against 100 speed lightweights with the speed, OFF AI and punch output sliders at ten in fight now is good training for countering, lol. As a mostly inside fighter, I used the sliders listed below for fights (changed for training). I trained to make sure my power, blocking and chin were kept up and in spite of that I was knocked down ten times in the 46 fights, including twice in one particular fight I got careless. Remember that 10 power and toughness will have more KO's and KD's than both zero.

Ref: Both ten
Power 5
Speed 0 (You can really see the difference in hand speed between fighters)
Damage 8
Toughness 3
OFF AI 2
DEF AI 1
Output 10

I changed output later and now I am using something closer to Juke's sliders, but probably 30 of my 46 wins were on the above sliders on Champion.

Right I am using these:

Ref Sliders both 10
Power 10
Speed 0
Toughness 10
Damage 10 (Parker you were right, this is for cuts/swelling)
OFF AI 1
DEF AI 1
Output 1

I am about to take my 87 OVR, 35 year old fighter and his 66 swelling up against a 90 OVR southpaw named Dion Little. He's 6' with a 72" reach and has a 27(24)-6-1 record, but all six of his losses were in the first half of his career. He is on a 15 fight streak where all opponents have been knocked out. Here is a comparison, please note my stronger right hand is due to the difficulty of the combo drill:

Me/CPU
Left hand 90/98
Right hand 99/91
Hand Speed 89/92
Accuracy 91/93
Foot speed 62/97
Head move. 88/92
Block strength 100/95
Head tough. 92/94
Body Tough. 92/90
Stamina 100/97
Heart 99/99
Cuts 97/77
Swelling 66/82
Chin 95/96

Knowing I am using the send set of sliders, I am actually 'nervous' before a fight for the first time since I fought Tyson in the current legacy. I will update after the fight is over.

Two quick questions: How do you raise swelling or at least keep it from decreasing as you get older? Protect the face and don't take a lot of damage in a career?

The other is I would like to do a thread on training for noobs like me. How does one get something stickied if it is indeed stick-worthy? Sorry so long, the wife gets the laptop when she's home, so I can't follow/post at night as much, lol.

[acts238shaun]

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By the way, I play on wide with HUD off unless I am slider testing.

[Wesman]

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Wow... Finally beat the guy. 10 rd decision: 93-92, 93-93, 93-92.

Updated:

Pro
Saved by bell - off
3 Knock down Rule - NO
Ref Foul Awr - 10
Ref Dam Awr - 10
Power - 6
Speed - 3
Damage - 8
Toughness - 2
CPU Off Awr - 3
CPU def Awr - 5
CPU Punch Output - 2

I think it is important that you play this set with the HUD OFF.
Camera - Wide.

Edit:

I feel it merits mentioning: These sliders are designed for Legacy mode only - I imagine they would be way easy in Play now. Also, my legacy is Mike Tyson, he is 5'10 with like a 71 inch reach. Most of the people I am fighting have 76 - 78 inch reaches. This means its hard to counter cause they are able to easily move back from my punches - getting inside and staying inside is tough. These settings may be pretty easy with a boxer that is mobile and uses a normal / long reach.

[parker002]

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Speed should be changed for some training games, especially those having trouble with combos. With speed maxed out I still have a hard time due to the fickle nature of the stick punching at times.

I've been getting Champion ratings on the double-end bag consistently now with Speed at 3.

One thing I'm taking into account while tweaking sliders for legacy mode (and especially for training) is that every fighter should be able to get Champion scores on every exercise.

The heavy bag push, for example, depends mostly on punching power. I've been testing with multiple fighters and tracking the results. I feel like a a Lewis or Tyson should be able to get Champion, but a guy like Chico Corrales would never get it. Maybe the best he can get is Contender or even worse.

On the flipside, Corrales could get Champion on the double-end bag, while maybe George Foreman can't simply because of footspeed.

So I'm taking those things into account as I test.

[parker002]

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Wow... Finally beat the guy. 10 rd decision: 93-92, 93-93, 93-92.

Updated:

Pro
Saved by bell - off
3 Knock down Rule - NO
Ref Foul Awr - 10
Ref Dam Awr - 10
Power - 6
Speed - 3
Damage - 8
Toughness - 2
CPU Off Awr - 3
CPU def Awr - 5
CPU Punch Output - 2

I think it is important that you play this set with the HUD OFF.
Camera - Wide.

Edit:

I feel it merits mentioning: These sliders are designed for Legacy mode only - I imagine they would be way easy in Play now. Also, my legacy is Mike Tyson, he is 5'10 with like a 71 inch reach. Most of the people I am fighting have 76 - 78 inch reaches. This means its hard to counter cause they are able to easily move back from my punches - getting inside and staying inside is tough. These settings may be pretty easy with a boxer that is mobile and uses a normal / long reach.

These sliders are similar to my first Champion set (my final Pro set only with difficulty level raised to Champion). I'm using that set as my new baseline for Legacy sliders and I'm getting decent results so far...

[acts238shaun]

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Wow what a fight! I won, barely. I knocked him out in the 6th after stunning him into the ropes with a straight right. I have a harder time catching and finishing opponents off with my slower foot speed, but with him being in the ropes I hit him with a rear uppercut and lead hook to knock him down. He attempted to get up from his only knockdown, but apparently I caught him just right and he could get to his feet.

That guy was an inside fighter with a power setup and stalked me all over the ring. With the power at ten the blocking meter would wear down much faster, which I personally like, so I had to back off and let it recharge. That was difficult in itself as he kept coming and with my slower foot speed it was very difficult to get out of his reach.

Not only was he an inside fighter, but he was an almost perfect inside fighter and focused quite a bit on body-body-head combos. He was great at slipping/ducking/side-stepping and following one of those with a well timed cross or jab, never a hook or uppercut. With him being a southpaw, I guess he had my southpaw style figured out so I switched to a righty stance to utilize angles and makes my stronger hand the rear hand. Punches that seemingly weren't phasing him were now stunning him as I countered with crosses. It was a great fight.

When I put him down I was down on all three judge's cards (below) and my face was very red and swollen. I was actually having to spend trainer points on damage so the fight wouldn't get stopped. He had a bad cut himself, but he was controlling the fight for the most part. Had I known he wasn't getting up I would have made a vid of the KO.

Two cards had it like this, with judge two giving me the 4th instead of Little.

Human 9 9 10 9 8 - 45
Little 10 10 9 10 10 - 49

That was the first time in a long while I knocked someone down and they stayed down after the first one. I was knocked down once and stunned three times. He threw 403 punches, landing 205 (50%). I threw 322, landing 183 (56%). Most of my punches were three and four punch combos after a counter or from pressing my advantage as he was running hurt. I thought I was going to lose that one. I am going to fight him again, lol. I may keep my sliders there, but I will try G.O.A.T out and see how that feels.