DLC to allow button punching

[tommywong]

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im so used to the sticks now, but buttons will be a welcome option

[Disqo]

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With this TPC vs buttons debate, why does it seem that the majority of the people for buttons = well thought out reasonable arguments. Mature posts for the most part.

Majority of the people against adding buttons = bitter, smug, use one liners like "play KOK if you don't like it", "TPC takes more skill" elitist jerks.

Hmm. Let's not let other people have a chance to enjoy a game customized the way they want for the 60$ they payed for it? k.. I'm done.

I do not think its elitist to advise those that are against TPC to avoid the game until buttons are added, rather than flooding forums with the now tiresome button v stick arguments.

[nickelplaydit]

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i hope they leave it as is ....button whiners are just too much nowadays.....
but if it does make a appearance back, then so be it....the argument is now very tiring...

[akabarneyphife]

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"In a chat a couple weeks back on IGN, Fight Night Round 4 producer Brian Hayes said that remapping the face buttons to throw punches might be "an option via DLC."

His full reply:

There is no option for face button punching in the final version, but we are investigating providing the option via DLC.

Now, no one said specifically that the face-button option would be paid DLC."

http://kotaku.com/5303220/ea-might-l...---through-dlc

I was going to rent it when the local store got it but since I know there's no option I'll wait and I certianly won't pay for a controller option that should've been there to begin with. Of course it'd probably be free as not to mess up online play along with the negative reaction it would cause.

I can understand it may be cheap to use online in multiplayer ...but you should be able to have it OFFLINE. Beside EA could disable it for ONLINE use...
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People shouldn't have to PAY to have face button punching! This is going to far to TAKE AWAY a STANDARD FN feature just to make somebody not only WAIT for DLC but to CHARGE them for it.

.....I for one am not buying the game. I have rented it from the video store and glad that I did.

Also there are a lot other topics I would love to bash on about this let down of a game. Which is way I am making several videos breaking down this over hyped game on my channel!

[Holt82]

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I can understand it may be cheap to use online in multiplayer ...but you should be able to have it OFFLINE. Beside EA could disable it for ONLINE use...
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People shouldn't have to PAY to have face button punching! This is going to far to TAKE AWAY a STANDARD FN feature just to make somebody not only WAIT for DLC but to CHARGE them for it.

.....I for one am not buying the game. I have rented it from the video store and glad that I did.

Also there are a lot other topics I would love to bash on about this let down of a game. Which is way I am making several videos breaking down this over hyped game on my channel!

They should charge for it. The new direction is the TPC. It was all about HOPE and we got the CHANGE that was needed to go in a new DIRECTION. You're either with the CHANGE or you should go back and play Prizefighter.

Also to even critique the game, you need to be a boxer, otherwise no one is going to take you seriously.

[akabarneyphife]

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They should charge for it. The new direction is the TPC. It was all about HOPE and we got the CHANGE that was needed to go in a new DIRECTION. You're either with the CHANGE or you should go back and play Prizefighter.

Also to even critique the game, you need to be a boxer, otherwise no one is going to take you seriously.

Wow! you brought up PRIZEFIGHTER! Is that even a game?

As for the direction arguement thing .... you can have new direction ...while still allowing old ways.

I mean look at anything in life ...there are NEW ways to do things and the are OLD ways to do things.... why not give the BUYER the option how HE or SHE wants to play the game OFFLINE. I wouldn't be saying this if they COULDN't do this ...because the BEEN doing this. Just some wacka** EA decision maker is causing grief for some players...

But I will tell you this from a MARKETING standpoint this would make sense ...

Getting PEOPLE all riled up ...just to get people to TALK and BUZZ about it!

Good Job EA ...bring people through an EMOTIONAL rollercoaster for your own financial gain!

In the mean time ...."I'm cool on FN4! ...Stay Tuned!

OH BTW dawg! You don't need to be a BOXER to say you have issues with the game. Come now!

[DarthRambo]

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I've always found this debate to be hilarious.

The only reason there are no button options this year is because the same people who are telling button users to stop crying, were the same guys who couldn't cut it on-line in Round 3 and screamed bloody murder about "button mashing". They tried rationlizing by saying button punching isn't realistic where as TPC mimicks real punching and makes the game more challening.

Bull droppings.

Listen, just because you swing a stick around in little semi-circles and flick it back and forth every now and again doesn't make it more realistic. The main gripe with the stick is that it isn't as accurate as button punching. With the stick, there are times when you intend to throw a specific punch and get a different result. That isn't realistic. It may be user error 99% of the time but when you can hit a button and get the result you're looking for, that's realism. There's never been a moment in the history of the sport of boxing where a guy cocks his arm back to throw a straight and ends up accidentally hooking an opponent to the body.

I was a button user last year and never found it possible to "cheese" like so many stick users cry wolf about. The only time you could tee off on someone with a five to six hit combination was when the opponent didn't know how to play defense. The stamina bar in last year's version also limited the amount of effective punches you could throw whether you connected or not (unlike this year, where you can seemingly throw an infinite barrage of blows to the body with little effect on your fighter's stamina).

I too won't be purchasing this game unless they add a button feature simply because I feel the TPC is too gimmicky. All sports games that try to implement this swing stick, total control pitching, and stick shooting is just lame to me. Leave the stick for first person shooters and just step up the in-game mechanics with these sports games and I'm sure everyone will be happy.

And yes, it was a bad business move by EA in removing an option that so many gamers enjoyed using. Debate that if you want, but when a company's bottom line is lower because of it, your whimpers of "get over it" make no difference.

100% agree!

I posted a thread a while back asking what the difference is between stick mashers, and button mashers. Whats the difference really?? Only difference i see is the stick mashers will have to buy new controllers by the ed of the year. All those ppl who complained how the button config being in the game would ruin online play cuz of "button mashers"?!? What a joke, its the same thing with stick mashers. It just boggles my mind still how EA didn't add it as an option. I'll keep an eye on this forum, and if there's a patch for it I'll rent it again, and see, then possibly buy it. I just wanna know what the difference is. Especially u cry babies who complained about it in FNR3, and just LOVED the fact that it wasnt in Rd 4. I'm wiling to bet most of those cry babies are the ones online stick mashing now, throwing 1200+ punches in a match. I personally used buttons, but was not a button masher. I actually "boxed". imo, its the same thing whether its buttons or sticks.

Also, I don't get the ppl they say TPC is sim(rotating a stick clockwise from 12 to 3, then straight up to the right, counterclockwise to from 6 to 12= one heck of a combo! lol, what a joke). You usually don't know what ur going to throw when ur mashing the sticks. if ur button mashing, u can actually throw good combos at least, and know what ur doing. I just hope all those ppl like myself who opposed buying the game cuz it was w/o button config actually followed through and didn't support EA and their garbage business mistake. No doubt about it, button congi WILL be in round 5, gauranteed.

[akabarneyphife]

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100% agree!

I posted a thread a while back asking what the difference is between stick mashers, and button mashers. Whats the difference really?? Only difference i see is the stick mashers will have to buy new controllers by the ed of the year. All those ppl who complained how the button config being in the game would ruin online play cuz of "button mashers"?!? What a joke, its the same thing with stick mashers. It just boggles my mind still how EA didn't add it as an option. I'll keep an eye on this forum, and if there's a patch for it I'll rent it again, and see, then possibly buy it. I just wanna know what the difference is. Especially u cry babies who complained about it in FNR3, and just LOVED the fact that it wasnt in Rd 4. I'm wiling to bet most of those cry babies are the ones online stick mashing now, throwing 1200+ punches in a match. I personally used buttons, but was not a button masher. I actually "boxed". imo, its the same thing whether its buttons or sticks.

Also, I don't get the ppl they say TPC is sim(rotating a stick clockwise from 12 to 3, then straight up to the right, counterclockwise to from 6 to 12= one heck of a combo! lol, what a joke). You usually don't know what ur going to throw when ur mashing the sticks. if ur button mashing, u can actually throw good combos at least, and know what ur doing. I just hope all those ppl like myself who opposed buying the game cuz it was w/o button config actually followed through and didn't support EA and their garbage business mistake. No doubt about it, button congi WILL be in round 5, gauranteed.

Good point mane!

YES there is a SUCH thing as "STICK MASHING"!

[vision]

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I do not think its elitist to advise those that are against TPC to avoid the game until buttons are added, rather than flooding forums with the now tiresome button v stick arguments.

It's tiresome to you because you have already been satisfied. Most of the antagonists say avoid the game.. period, not just until bottons are added. Quite honestly, that's a selfish attitude. Sometimes, it's necessary to be vocal to elicit change.

Oh yeah, John Madden 2010 say's hi..

[Holt82]

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Wow! you brought up PRIZEFIGHTER! Is that even a game?

As for the direction arguement thing .... you can have new direction ...while still allowing old ways.

I mean look at anything in life ...there are NEW ways to do things and the are OLD ways to do things.... why not give the BUYER the option how HE or SHE wants to play the game OFFLINE. I wouldn't be saying this if they COULDN't do this ...because the BEEN doing this. Just some wacka** EA decision maker is causing grief for some players...

But I will tell you this from a MARKETING standpoint this would make sense ...

Getting PEOPLE all riled up ...just to get people to TALK and BUZZ about it!

Good Job EA ...bring people through an EMOTIONAL rollercoaster for your own financial gain!

In the mean time ...."I'm cool on FN4! ...Stay Tuned!

OH BTW dawg! You don't need to be a BOXER to say you have issues with the game. Come now!

All I can say is...deal with the change. Almost like a bunch of pre-schoolers.

Fight Night is meant to be played with the STICK. Remember, CHANGE, CHANGE CHANGE.

As for issues with the game. There's a difference between being an spectator of a sport and doing it. I don't want to hear anyone talking about the power of jabs or crosses when they've never stepped foot inside of a ring before and boxed.

[vision]

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All I can say is...deal with the change. Almost like a bunch of pre-schoolers.

Fight Night is meant to be played with the STICK. Remember, CHANGE, CHANGE CHANGE.

As for issues with the game. There's a difference between being an spectator of a sport and doing it. I don't want to hear anyone talking about the power of jabs or crosses when they've never stepped foot inside of a ring before and boxed.

CHANGE as you say, should be a positive upward move, not an inferior sideways step.

[ODogg]

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CHANGE as you say, should be a positive upward move, not an inferior sideways step.

If it was up to a lot of you we would all still be playing on 2 button control pads using a digital pad. I remember when analog sticks were introduced everyone hated them and until just a couple of years ago had friends who insisted on playing Madden and other games using the digital pad.

The bottom line is games and how they are played are going to change. You may or may not like some aspects of that change, for instance I really miss the big space PC games like Wing Commander, but that's just how the industry works. You can rail against it and make all the good points you like, and some of you do make excellent points, but you will have to adapt or simply cease to game.

As for this specific argument, I have seen several people say that pushing the stick around requires no skill in argument of buttons to counter the "button mashing requires no skill". The truth is that is a very poor argument IMO simply because to use the stick you can't just move the stick around and do worth a damn 95% of the time whereas you can with just pushing at the buttons.

Also, I can see a lot of folks point that they could have left the buttons in for offline play but I think you're missing the point. The point is that the game is not meant to be played in such a way and by continuing to give people the option there are still going to be people playing it in an unintended manner. The only way to really get folks on board to a new control scheme is often to dump the old one. Yes some folks will simply cease to be on board period but if the new scheme is good that will be outweighed by those who previously did not like the old scheme but enjoy the new one. I'm sure EA has a ton of marketing research to validate that is the case or they wouldn't be going in this direction.

And lest anyone think I can't sympathize with the button issue, I can because I am an old school video gamer who hates the golf swing with the analog controls in the new games. They still offer (well Tiger 09 did) the old way and I use it often, while still trying to get used to the analog scheme. It's just the way it is..

[Marino]

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Guys, how about talking about the topic at hand instead of insulting each other.

[vision]

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Also, I can see a lot of folks point that they could have left the buttons in for offline play but I think you're missing the point. The point is that the game is not meant to be played in such a way and by continuing to give people the option there are still going to be people playing it in an unintended manner. The only way to really get folks on board to a new control scheme is often to dump the old one. Yes some folks will simply cease to be on board period but if the new scheme is good that will be outweighed by those who previously did not like the old scheme but enjoy the new one. I'm sure EA has a ton of marketing research to validate that is the case or they wouldn't be going in this direction.

All due respect.. I think you're missing the point. Their market research f'd up. You don't alienate your customers.. Period. Even freaken Gran Turismo lets you use a d pad instead of an analog stick. Come on now.. The simple fact is buttons are more accurate. Whether buttons are old fashioned has 0 to do with the argument. The mashing argument is done.. you can mash with the stick. So, now all people have left to cling to, is "you should adapt"? To (IMO) an inferior controller layout? ok..

Another thing.. how fast you press buttons doesn't define your skill. Fighting games in general are all about timing, setting up punches, knowing your opponent.. And being able to *accurately* throw your punches and combos when you want to.

But sorry for being so "old school" and not getting with the times with this new fangled analog stick.. you know, because the fight night team is right no matter what. It's impossible for a company to make a mistake..

[ODogg]

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All due respect.. I think you're missing the point. Their market research f'd up. You don't alienate your customers..

Everything a company does alienates customers. The issue is how many a decision alienates. That is the price of progress. As a company you can only hope that you win more fans than you lose old ones. Such is the nature of business.

Even freaken Gran Turismo lets you use a d pad instead of an analog stick. Come on now.. The simple fact is buttons are more accurate.

Buttons are limiting much as digital pad control is comparative to analog, hence the reason for that being done away with.

Whether buttons are old fashioned has 0 to do with the argument.

It has everything to do with the argument. It IS the argument. EA is, at least for this game, trying to advance the genre and part of that is a progressive control scheme.

The mashing argument is done.. you can mash with the stick.

Yes you can, but not successfully as you can with the buttons, which is why so many folks are saying they especially do not want buttons enabled for online play.

So, now all people have left to cling to, is "you should adapt"? To (IMO) an inferior controller layout? ok..

You don't really have to adapt, you can simply play Fight Night Round 3 or other games which don't use this newer control scheme. It's no different than many guys I know who miss the old "high score" aspect of playing Frogger or Ms. Pac Man. They don't expect that type of scoring to exist in today's modern game, if they want the old way they go back and play the old way.

To expect the industry to cater to a vocal minority who shun progress that most of the masses embrace is unrealistic in a capitalistic society. The simple fact is that if most gamers hated the new control scheme and loved the buttons then market research on past boxing games would have shown that and FNR4 would have had button control as the primary, and probably only, control scheme.

Another thing.. how fast you press buttons doesn't define your skill. Fighting games in general are all about timing, setting up punches, knowing your opponent.. And being able to *accurately* throw your punches and combos when you want to.

But sorry for being so "old school" and not getting with the times with this new fangled analog stick.. you know, because the fight night team is right no matter what. It's impossible for a company to make a mistake..

If they made a mistake sales will show that they did and you will see the button control scheme back for FNR5. i would say that is doubtful though from my experience with the game and from reading overall feedback and reviews thus far.