Boxing Off-Topic

[Money99]

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Because they weren't televised on ESPN, which bases its editorial decisions primarily on the sports for which it has broadcast rights.

The NHL and NASCAR are egregious examples. When ESPN televised both, highlights from both sports were featured regularly on "SportsCenter." Now they're buried deep in the show, if shown at all, because ESPN no longer has broadcast rights to either league.

"SportsCenter" isn't a news and highlight show. It's just another promotional vehicle for ESPN properties.

SOOOOO true.
When I worked in Detroit, they had TV's broadcasting ESPN in the cafeteria, and amused me how much MLS coverage they suddenly had once they purchased that leagues broadcasting rights.
Just like there was way more hockey coverage when they were broadcasting the World Cup of Hockey this Summer.

I used to get so frustrated waiting for the baseball highlights on a Tuesday morning, because 99% of the morning news was about the MNF game the night before.
Seriously, how can you come up with 54 minutes of football talk for one game? And most times, it wasn't even a good game?

TSN is a sister-station to ESPN here in Canada and they're getting just as bad.

Honestly, I hardly watch sportscenter-type shows anymore. I can get all the news I want off the web.

The only time I'll make a point to tune in is when, like Jaybee pointed out, it's a specialty show which is tackling an interesting topic.

[pietasterp]

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In addition, there are no interesting/funny SportsCenter anchors any more. Back in the days of Craig Kilborn, Kenny Mayne, Dan Patrick, etc., the show was worth watching just because those guys were so funny. I used to laugh more in a 1-hr SportsCenter when Kenny Mayne was doing it than I did in a whole week's worth of your average sitcoms. Now, the anchors are all boring drones and 6th-rate knock-offs of B-tier SportsCenter back-benchers. Not only is there no informational value to SportsCenter any more, there's no entertainment value either. Which pretty much eliminates any reason anyone would ever have for watching it....

[JayBee74]

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Golden Boy Boxing on ESPN will feature 18 cards in 2017 (which will air either on Thursdays, Fridays or Saturdays) and 24 cards in 2018. The two hour fight cards will be telecast on ESPN 2, and in "wholly-owned and affiliated networks in Latin America, Canada, the Caribbean, Australia and parts of Asia."

This was announced this past Thursday.

The PBC still has some open dates with ESPN.

[JayBee74]

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Carl Frampton versus Leo Santa Cruz rematch this Saturday on Showtime. Frampton won their first fight via majority decision 117-111, 116-112, 114-114.

Mickey Garcia will fight newly crowned WBC 135 champ Dejan Zlaticanin on the undercard. Are they giving Zlaticanin too much credit? Mickey is about a 2-1 favorite.

Further down the road..............

Nice little "don't go to the refrigerator fight" between Curtis Stevens and David Lemieux on March 11. There might be a 1% chance it goes to a decision-that might be to high.

Yuriorkis Gamboa, fresh off signing with Golden Boy, will be on the undercard against sparring partner level Rene Alvarado.

[pk500]

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The PBC still has some open dates with ESPN.

And let's hope they're never filled. The faster the PBC can fail, the better for boxing.

Haymon is a leech who cares about two things: Sucking boxing dry for money and paying his fighters not to fight.

The PBC has done almost nothing to benefit the sport.

[pk500]

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Nice little "don't go to the refrigerator fight" between Curtis Stevens and David Lemieux on March 11. There might be a 1% chance it goes to a decision-that might be to high.

Yuriorkis Gamboa, fresh off signing with Golden Boy, will be on the undercard against sparring partner level Rene Alvarado.

I plan on attending this card in person, as I live about 50 miles from Turning Stone Casino. VERY fun place to see fights.

[JayBee74]

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I plan on attending this card in person, as I live about 50 miles from Turning Stone Casino. VERY fun place to see fights.

That's the casino my brother's in-laws used to go to. They also visited the International Boxing Hall Of Fame in Canastota several times, as I'm sure you have. The only time I was in Syracuse was to attend my brother's wedding in 1996, right about the time the World Series started. His in-laws moved to the New Orleans area about two years ago.

[JayBee74]

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And let's hope they're never filled. The faster the PBC can fail, the better for boxing.

Haymon is a leech who cares about two things: Sucking boxing dry for money and paying his fighters not to fight.

The PBC has done almost nothing to benefit the sport.

They've had a large concentration of "non-prime time" fights, but Frampton versus Leo Santa Cruz rematch is a PBC fight on "semi-free" ShowTime, and amazingly a top bout like Thurman-Garcia will land on CBS (March 4th).

[gmac0322]

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Looking forward to both. Plus last year's Thurman Porter was great too. Could be worst. Could be king or arum who are even worst

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[pk500]

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That's the casino my brother's in-laws used to go to. They also visited the International Boxing Hall Of Fame in Canastota several times, as I'm sure you have. The only time I was in Syracuse was to attend my brother's wedding in 1996, right about the time the World Series started. His in-laws moved to the New Orleans area about two years ago.

Yep, been to the Hall a few times for Induction Weekend. Such a magic event. All of the fighters -- both inductees and supporting visitors -- are so gracious of their time and appreciative of the recognition.

In the last few years, I've had fun conversations with Micky Ward, Dickie Eklund, Iran Barkley, Buddy McGirt, Vinny Paz, referee Kenny Bayless, trainer Nacho Beristain and more during Induction weekend.

[pk500]

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They've had a large concentration of "non-prime time" fights, but Frampton versus Leo Santa Cruz rematch is a PBC fight on "semi-free" ShowTime, and amazingly a top bout like Thurman-Garcia will land on CBS (March 4th).

Blind squirrels find nuts. Look in enough septic tanks, and you'll find a diamond accidentally flushed down the toilet.

[pk500]

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Looking forward to both. Plus last year's Thurman Porter was great too. Could be worst. Could be king or arum who are even worst

Total BS. King and Arum worked together to stage great bouts in the 80s and 90s. King also stacked undercards of Tyson PPVs in the 80s. Remember when Julio Cesar Chavez was the top undercard attraction on many of King's PPV shows with Tyson in the 80s?

Haymon NEVER does anything like that. He continues to shovel crap at the public on a far too wide spread of niche cable networks, giving us so few quality matchups.

Not to mention Haymon is violating the Muhammad Ali Act by simultaneously serving as a promoter and manager.

Boxing is full of slime, but it doesn't get more greedy or slippery in the sport than Al Haymon. He's a plague upon the Sweet Science.

[gmac0322]

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Total BS. King and Arum worked together to stage great bouts in the 80s and 90s. King also stacked undercards of Tyson PPVs in the 80s. Remember when Julio Cesar Chavez was the top undercard attraction on many of King's PPV shows with Tyson in the 80s?

Haymon NEVER does anything like that. He continues to shovel crap at the public on a far too wide spread of niche cable networks, giving us so few quality matchups.

Not to mention Haymon is violating the Muhammad Ali Act by simultaneously serving as a promoter and manager.

Boxing is full of slime, but it doesn't get more greedy or slippery in the sport than Al Haymon. He's a plague upon the Sweet Science.

I am talking right now. Arum and the pacman waists. The bradley ppvs. They are all jokes. Protecting pacman from Crawford the past couple of years. Arum has done nothing the last 5 years except for leech off of pacman. King is a crook. He completely screwed rahman and other countless fighters. I am not saying that Heyman ain't a crook too. They all are actually

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[pk500]

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I am talking right now. Arum and the pacman waists. The bradley ppvs. They are all jokes. Protecting pacman from Crawford the past couple of years. Arum has done nothing the last 5 years except for leech off of pacman. King is a crook. He completely screwed rahman and other countless fighters. I am not saying that Heyman ain't a crook too. They all are actually

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King is irrelevant these days. He's no longer a promotional factor and shouldn't even be in a current conversation about boxing promoters.

Arum has lived off Pacman? That's funny: I've seen Top Rank fighters Lomachenko, Postl, Crawford, Verdejo and Jessie Vargas all against decent-or-better fighters in the past year.

And why shouldn't Arum try to monetize his greatest PPV asset as long as possible? Golden Boy does the same thing with Canelo. K2 does the same thing with Golovkin. Who exactly is the marquee attraction of PBC -- are there any? -- who Haymon has fighting tough? No one.

There are two reasons why Haymon doesn't do PPVs or premium cable shows. One, he has an investment firm slush fund, which is rapidly depleting, by the way. Two, he has no marquee fighters that could attract more than 150K buys for any in-house PBC PPV. No knowledgeable boxing fan on Earth thinks either Shawn Porter or Keith Thurman -- Haymon's pet show ponies -- are the best 147-pounder in the world.

The Bradley PPV was a simple matter of economics: Arum needed that revenue to meet Bradley's pay demands since Arum doesn't have a slush fund from Waddell & Reed to prop up his business like Haymon.

But guess what? That Waddell & Reed slush fund is running dry. Did you notice there were a lot less PBC shows on TV in the final four months of 2016 and early this year compared to 2015 and the first three-quarters of 2016?

Haymon and the PBC are hemorrhaging money, with little return. His jig will be up very soon, and the sport will be so much better for it.

As for protecting Pacman from Crawford, Arum is doing nothing differently than Golden Boy or Haymon. Golden Boy has steered Canelo clear of Golovkin for the last year. Haymon has steered all of his fighters clear from almost everyone outside of the PBC stable, and he only has made a handful of quality matchups within the PBC since his sham of an organization started in 2015.

[gmac0322]

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King is irrelevant these days. He's no longer a promotional factor and shouldn't even be in a current conversation about boxing promoters.

Arum has lived off Pacman? That's funny: I've seen Top Rank fighters Lomachenko, Postl, Crawford, Verdejo and Jessie Vargas all against decent-or-better fighters in the past year.

And why shouldn't Arum try to monetize his greatest PPV asset as long as possible? Golden Boy does the same thing with Canelo. K2 does the same thing with Golovkin. Who exactly is the marquee attraction of PBC -- are there any? -- who Haymon has fighting tough? No one.

There are two reasons why Haymon doesn't do PPVs or premium cable shows. One, he has an investment firm slush fund, which is rapidly depleting, by the way. Two, he has no marquee fighters that could attract more than 150K buys for any in-house PBC PPV. No knowledgeable boxing fan on Earth thinks either Shawn Porter or Keith Thurman -- Haymon's pet show ponies -- are the best 147-pounder in the world.

The Bradley PPV was a simple matter of economics: Arum needed that revenue to meet Bradley's pay demands since Arum doesn't have a slush fund from Waddell & Reed to prop up his business like Haymon.

But guess what? That Waddell & Reed slush fund is running dry. Did you notice there were a lot less PBC shows on TV in the final four months of 2016 and early this year compared to 2015 and the first three-quarters of 2016?

Haymon and the PBC are hemorrhaging money, with little return. His jig will be up very soon, and the sport will be so much better for it.

As for protecting Pacman from Crawford, Arum is doing nothing differently than Golden Boy or Haymon. Golden Boy has steered Canelo clear of Golovkin for the last year. Haymon has steered all of his fighters clear from almost everyone outside of the PBC stable, and he only has made a handful of quality matchups within the PBC since his sham of an organization started in 2015.

Agree to disagree. I think that they are all snakes. Where you can make argument for one than you can for all. And I won't defend golden boy either. I am done with the discussion because I don't argue on the Internet. It's all good. Peace

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