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[pk500]

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i think you're right, that will be the outcome....and this fight should have happened years ago. poor training habits, poor management and inactivity have been an ongoing problem. canelo is at his peak and chavez clearly is not. i just find it funny that there is no problem with canelo going up in weight to fight chavez but clearly balked at going up to fight ggg so soon.

Canelo and his management aren't stupid. They know they can feast financially and in the ring against lesser fighters while avoiding a guy Canelo probably can't beat in Golovkin.

[sheredia]

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Canelo and his management aren't stupid. They know they can feast financially and in the ring against lesser fighters while avoiding a guy Canelo probably can't beat in Golovkin.

do they want to go the chavez route? i think not.....not only that, if the mega fight doesn't happen in 2017, then oscar has some explaining to do.

[Maxwhite14]

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I can see why Canelo is now BJ Saunders mandatory. Canelo will beat him, then it sets up Canelo having one of the belts GGG wants/needs. Makes it MORE of a megafight? Just a quick thought, no expert here.

[pk500]

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do they want to go the chavez route? i think not.....not only that, if the mega fight doesn't happen in 2017, then oscar has some explaining to do.

Why not? Chavez has a big name, thanks to Daddy, and the fight will do mega box office in Mexico and among Hispanics in the United States.

It's a pretty easy payday for Canelo. Nowhere near the hell through which he would need to walk when facing GGG.

[JayBee74]

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Why not? Chavez has a big name, thanks to Daddy, and the fight will do mega box office in Mexico and among Hispanics in the United States.

It's a pretty easy payday for Canelo. Nowhere near the hell through which he would need to walk when facing GGG.

Wonder how much of a payday? junior is not yet extinct, so it could be profitable for all parties.

Shifting gears slightly, should Golovkin take the $15 million flat fee for a Canelo fight, or hold out for a 40% share? Are 2 million PPV buys realistic?

[JayBee74]

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Beterbiev walks through Prieto. Wonder how much longer the top guys at 175 can ignore this guy?

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[Money99]

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he never had the desire and the fights they were giving him were a joke....

Nevermind the fact he's a LHW mascarading as a MW, using diaretics to shrink down in size only to balloon up to 185 and beating on men half his size.

In that respect I can see why Yellow wants to fight him; they're kindred spirits.

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[pk500]

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Beterbiev walks through Prieto. Wonder how much longer the top guys at 175 can ignore this guy?

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The price of poker climbs considerably against Kovalev and Ward.

[pk500]

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Wonder how much of a payday? junior is not yet extinct, so it could be profitable for all parties.

Shifting gears slightly, should Golovkin take the $15 million flat fee for a Canelo fight, or hold out for a 40% share? Are 2 million PPV buys realistic?

It's a big fight financially. Canelo probably will make high seven figures, while Chavez will have low seven figures with which to buy Lucky Charms, Cheetos and weed for the next decade.

GGG should take $15 million. Would be his biggest pay day by a multitude of about 10. I don't think 2 million PPV buys are realistic. Something in the range of 1.3 to 1.5 million is more in the ball park.

Canelo is the biggest prime name in boxing, but he's not as popular globally as Pacquiao or Mayweather at their peak. GGG is a darling among fight fans (including me), but he's nowhere near a mainstream sports name.

There's also significant PPV fatigue. Far too many crap fights are being placed on PPV to meet fighters' purse demands. Plus many casual boxing fans and general sports fans still have the taste of raw puke in their mouths after paying $100 for possibly the worst PPV card in boxing history, Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Canelo-GGG does 1.5 million PPV buys, tops. Probably closer to 1.25 million. The only way that number climbs is if there's a major consumer promotion with Tecate or another widespread consumer product. I would buy a case of Tecate to get a $20 discount on the PPV.

[JayBee74]

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The price of poker climbs considerably against Kovalev and Ward.

Ward wouldn't even considering fighting Beterbiev-and he doesn't have to. Andre is going to go to trench warfare with this guy? Kovalez could throw power shots from a distance but if he had trouble with Ward jamming him up on the inside........? Beterbiev throws the shortest most powerful shots I've seen in a while.

Ever get the feeling that Andre has been grooming himself for early retirement? Yeah, he had legal problems, but all that inactivity has not only hurt his game, I think it has hurt his desire.

[JayBee74]

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It's a big fight financially. Canelo probably will make high seven figures, while Chavez will have low seven figures with which to buy Lucky Charms, Cheetos and weed for the next decade.

LOL.

I had to refresh my memory but Chavez Jr made $3 million for his PPV bout with Sergio Martinez (minus $900,000 Grass Fee), and $2.5 million for his fight with Fonafara. He turned down $7 million to fight Golovkin, with a guaranteed $5 million for a second fight. If he beat GGG the guarantee would have been $10 million for a second fight.

I don't think Chavez takes this fight for under $5 million and I might be low balling it.

[sheredia]

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Why not? Chavez has a big name, thanks to Daddy, and the fight will do mega box office in Mexico and among Hispanics in the United States.

It's a pretty easy payday for Canelo. Nowhere near the hell through which he would need to walk when facing GGG.

i meant the chavez route career-wise....avoiding top name opponents to keep his record in tact. i can't fault canelo for taking the payday on this one, but i wonder if he thinks this fight prepares him for ggg at all.

[JayBee74]

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Canelo-GGG does 1.5 million PPV buys, tops. Probably closer to 1.25 million. The only way that number climbs is if there's a major consumer promotion with Tecate or another widespread consumer product. I would buy a case of Tecate to get a $20 discount on the PPV.

That's a lot of buys. 1.25 million was the number for Oscar-Pac. It you hit 1.25-1.5 million you're in elite PPV status. Even if they're projecting impressive numbers like this $15 million for GGG doesn't seem unreasonable.

[JayBee74]

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Nevermind the fact he's a LHW mascarading as a MW, using diaretics to shrink down in size only to balloon up to 185 and beating on men half his size.

In that respect I can see why Yellow wants to fight him; they're kindred spirits.

Agree with you Money but he was within the rules and poor conditioning and the munchies have taken him out of middleweight range-I'm not sure he can make a 164 catch-weight.

[pietasterp]

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Agree w/ all the comments here re: Chavez Jr. You guys took the words right out of my mouth. Having said that, I think Jr. Chavez vs. Canelo would be a very fun fight to watch. If that bout were to come to pass, I have only 2 solid predictions:

- Whatever weight they agree on, Chavez won't make it (or they'll have to move it/pay out of it prior to the fight)
- Chavez will spend at least half of every round complaining to the referee about some invisible indiscretion by his opponent

I think I've made this comment before, but one of the reasons Chavez Jr. won't ever be great is that he grew up relatively comfortably. That's certainly not a criticism in any way, but boxing has always been - and likely will always be - a sport of abject desperation. I mean, what middle- or upper-class person would want to spend their life getting punched in the face for pennies, with only a slim hope of ever making any real money at it? Even in the US, the less-well-off prefer football and basketball to boxing. Literally having to fight for your next meal is the only way anyone ever develops the murderous desire required to be a great boxer, and there's just no way anyone can self-motivate to the same extent that those coming from desperate circumstances can.

It's no accident that great fighters tend to almost universally come from the most horrible of circumstances and/or living conditions, and frequently from countries that are very poor on average. Conversely, the next great fighter from Beverly Hills will be the first great fighter from Beverly Hills....