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[TarHeelPhenom]

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Mardi Gras so I missed some things-What excuses is Wilder making?

Had some things going on leading up to the fight but didn't elaborate. Then said his costume weighed 40 lbs and by the time he got in the ring his legs were shot.

[Cod]

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Apparently Kenny Bayless was "very close" to stepping in before Wilder's team threw in the towel. I guess we can expect another excuse from the Wilder camp tomorrow. They've already thrown an iconic trainer and one of the best refs today under the bus, what else do they have in store...

Oh, almost forgot to post the article: https://www.ringtv.com/592590-kenny-bayless-on-fury-wilder2-if-the-corner-didnt-stop-it-i-was-very-close-to-stopping-it-myself/

[pietasterp]

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Sad to see, but I guess Wilder just has no idea how to react to losing for the first time. Hopefully after the initial sting passes, he's able to be a little more introspective and critical about what happened, and make the necessary changes (to the extent that he can) for the next fight.

Never know, this could be like a Pacquiao-Marquez type of thing where no one thought there was any reason for that 4th fight, but when it happened and Marquez almost decapitated Pacquiao in one of the most spectacular knockouts of the past decade (which no one saw coming...or at least, I certainly didn't), we were all sort of glad that unnecessary 4th fight did happen.

[Cod]

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Rumors floating around that the Fury camp is willing to pay off Wilder to void the rematch to help setup a Fury/AJ match sooner; however, I think AJ is coming up on some mandatory title defenses soon.

[JayBee74]

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Future betting for Fury-Joshua is fairly close.

[JayBee74]

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Rumors floating around that the Fury camp is willing to pay off Wilder to void the rematch to help setup a Fury/AJ match sooner; however, I think AJ is coming up on some mandatory title defenses soon.

Yeah, AJ will probably fight Pulev. Some weeks ago they were throwing out Usyk as a possible opponent but that was a bunch of crap.

EDIT: I see Wilder is complaining about rabbit punches now.

[Money99]

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I think it's only right that there is a 3rd fight. We've seen it all throughout boxing over the years. Cap it off with a 3rd and final fight. With Fury, you're always going to have excitement and hopefully Wilder will drop back down to his original weight...come to the ring with a 1.5 lb t-shirt on and have that right hand cocked and we get a good fight.

I honestly don't believe that Fury-Joshua will be as good as Fury-Wilder inside the ring tho...I don't think Joshua is ready for that.

Unpopular opinion, but I think AJ is third best of these three.
I'd def rather see Fury-Wilder III. Fury-AJ will likely look a lot like Fury-Klitscho which was one of the most boring fights I've ever endured.

EDIT: Wilder is coming up with a slew of excuses. But honestly, this isn't anything new.
Fighters need to come up with excuses because if they actually admit to not being the better fighter, there goes any mental edge you once had. Doubt trickles in and it makes it near impossible to win again.
As crazy as this sounds, I actually do believe the 3rd fight will be far more competitive with Wilder possibly winning.

[Cod]

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Unpopular opinion, but I think AJ is third best of these three.
I'd def rather see Fury-Wilder III. Fury-AJ will likely look a lot like Fury-Klitscho which was one of the most boring fights I've ever endured.

EDIT: Wilder is coming up with a slew of excuses. But honestly, this isn't anything new.
Fighters need to come up with excuses because if they actually admit to not being the better fighter, there goes any mental edge you once had. Doubt trickles in and it makes it near impossible to win again.
As crazy as this sounds, I actually do believe the 3rd fight will be far more competitive with Wilder possibly winning.

My issue with Fury-Wilder III is that Wilder doesn't deserve it. Trilogies should be reserved for when fighters are even with a win a piece (Bowe vs Holyfield, etc.). Wilder lost both fights, I don't care what the record books say. He was completely out boxed and out classed in both fights. Out of 19 rounds, Fury has won at least 12 of those (I'd argue more like 15).

With that said, I agree with you that the third fight will be closer than the second; however, I just don't feel like Wilder deserves it.

Boring or not, I want to see a true unified champion again. I want my 90s heavyweights back dammit!!!

[Cod]

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While I wait, I hope the boxing gods will give me Spence vs Crawford this year.

[pietasterp]

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Unpopular opinion, but I think AJ is third best of these three.
I'd def rather see Fury-Wilder III. Fury-AJ will likely look a lot like Fury-Klitscho which was one of the most boring fights I've ever endured.

EDIT: Wilder is coming up with a slew of excuses. But honestly, this isn't anything new.
Fighters need to come up with excuses because if they actually admit to not being the better fighter, there goes any mental edge you once had. Doubt trickles in and it makes it near impossible to win again.
As crazy as this sounds, I actually do believe the 3rd fight will be far more competitive with Wilder possibly winning.

I don't disagree with any of the points you made. Which means, I don't think any of it sounds crazy (at least not to me!). Of course, that doesn't preclude the possibility of there being 2 crazy people posting in this thread....

My issue with Fury-Wilder III is that Wilder doesn't deserve it. Trilogies should be reserved for when fighters are even with a win a piece (Bowe vs Holyfield, etc.). Wilder lost both fights, I don't care what the record books say. He was completely out boxed and out classed in both fights. Out of 19 rounds, Fury has won at least 12 of those (I'd argue more like 15).

With that said, I agree with you that the third fight will be closer than the second; however, I just don't feel like Wilder deserves it.

I sort of see what you're saying, but as William Munny famously said, "deserve's got nothing to do with it". I take the opinion of if the first fight is 30 seconds longer, Wilder probably KO's Fury. The second fight, well, we all saw it. So a 3rd might not strictly speaking be necessary, but it's by far and away the most compelling fight that can be made in the heavyweight division at this point, until someone more exciting comes along. If it happens after a Fury-AJ fight, so be it. But, to my point about Pacquiao-Marquez 4, that fight didn't need to be made either, but I'm glad they did it.

Boring or not, I want to see a true unified champion again. I want my 90s heavyweights back dammit!!!

Unification fight or no, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, et al are not walking back through that door, sad to say.

While I wait, I hope the boxing gods will give me Spence vs Crawford this year.

Even the gods can't get toxic promotional companies to make fights people want to see. If/when this ever does happen, it will be when both are past their prime. And of course we might always wonder what might have been had it not been for Spence's auto accident which took him out of the game for some time although he somehow miraculously avoided serious injury/death (which, on that topic, he's a f'n moron and is very lucky to be alive and luckier still that he didn't kill anyone).

[edaddy]

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I don't know why Shane Mosley-Vernon Forrest comes to my mind. Forrest did to him what nobody else could at the time of their first fight and there was no way Shane was going to beat him the second time. Forrest's style/size was too much. Fury-Wilder puts me in the mind of that. If Fury does what he did in fight number 2, no way Wilder wins. But, I would def enjoy seeing it again.

Thats a great comparison Forrest was absolutely a bad bad matchup for Moseley..and I can remember vividly Mosley making all these excuses why he lost the first fight only to get beat the second fight..Forrest was a good fighter that cat had some legend potential..anyway I see Fury beating Wilder even worse the third fight..Now Fury has supreme confidence and knows at his best he can take and avoid Wilders shots and he also can hurt Wilder with his shots..If Wilder jumps into this third fight quickly he has bad advice which from what I saw last Saturday is about right..There is nothing that Wilder can do in the span of 6 months that will give him a sizable advantage and chance to beat Fury..I mean the fury we saw last week.. Like I said I love Wilder but he is showing some bad sportsmanship andis digging himself a big hole with these ridiculous excuses..

[Cod]

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Okay, I now hate Wilder and hope he gets pummeled beyond recognition in his next fight. All based on reading this: https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/fo...00228.amp.html

[pietasterp]

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Okay, I now hate Wilder and hope he gets pummeled beyond recognition in his next fight. All based on reading this: https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/fo...00228.amp.html

Horrible. Nothing good has come out of this from the Wilder perspective at all, that's for sure. If he's going through the Kubler-Ross stages of grief, he's not even out of Stage 1 yet. At this rate, he won't be mentally ready for a rematch for 20 years.

All that having been said, time heals (most) wounds and this may yet have a redemptive ending, but we're still in the relatively immediate aftermath. Maybe it gets uglier before it gets better. Either way, Wilder is not the heavyweight champ and the sooner he accepts that, the sooner he can plot some kind of course back.

[JayBee74]

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Okay, I now hate Wilder and hope he gets pummeled beyond recognition in his next fight. All based on reading this: https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/fo...00228.amp.html

LOL, he looked pretty pummeled in this fight.

Yeah, that's pretty bad-he's not taking his beating very well. I hope he publicly apologizes to Breland but lack of character may prevent that from happening.

[JayBee74]

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Unpopular opinion, but I think AJ is third best of these three.
I'd def rather see Fury-Wilder III. Fury-AJ will likely look a lot like Fury-Klitscho which was one of the most boring fights I've ever endured.

I could be wrong but I think he's a clear #3 even if Wilder wears a heavy costume into the ring.