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[JayBee74]

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I know that a lot has happened since their first fight, but I am ready to see Berto/Ortiz II. Hopefully this Heymon thing can make that a reality. Even more so that Lopez broke Ortiz' jaw for a TKO and Berto got a TKO vs Lopez.

I wouldn't mind seeing the rematch, and I'd really like to see Ortiz back in the welterweight mix, but he has to climb back in.

The best fight of his career was the win against Berto.

Really like Tarver on the telecast. NBC should look yo using him.

Enjoyed the heavyweight fight for what it was.

Happy for Berto to make such a statement. Thought the stoppage was quick, but it was coming regardless.

Man, Chris Arreola got NO press for this fight. He looked to be in terrible shape.

[N51_rob]

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Chris was in awful shape. If he was fight ready he ends that fight round 1.


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[JayBee74]

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Chris was in awful shape. If he was fight ready he ends that fight round 1.

Yeah, that's the only round I saw on YouTube.

[JayBee74]

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How'd I miss Kovalez-Pascal this weekend?

[pietasterp]

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How'd I miss Kovalez-Pascal this weekend?

Same way as me...we now, bizarrely, have the problem of too much boxing on at any time. I DVR'd the Spike Friday night ticket and watched it late Saturday night, not realizing that a Kovalev bout was on HBO. Oh well - HBO GO is our friend there.

[pietasterp]

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Really like Tarver on the telecast. NBC should look yo using him.

Enjoyed the heavyweight fight for what it was.

Happy for Berto to make such a statement. Thought the stoppage was quick, but it was coming regardless.

Tarver was pretty good on Showtime before he got the boot for his positive PED test. Never let another guy come in and take your job...with Paulie doing well, he'll never be back there. But seems like he has another chance now.

^Yeah, the stoppage was kinda early, especially considering the type of fighter lopez is.

Stoppage was WAY early to me - almost unjustifiable. In general, I'm a big fan of stopping a fight a round too early than a round too late, but Lopez didn't look hurt and could easily have used the in-between round break to recover. I was really surprised that the fight was stopped at that point.

I know that a lot has happened since their first fight, but I am ready to see Berto/Ortiz II. Hopefully this Heymon thing can make that a reality. Even more so that Lopez broke Ortiz' jaw for a TKO and Berto got a TKO vs Lopez.

If it is anything like the first fight, it'd be great...but as you said, a LOT has happened since then. I'm not sure it would be a great fight now. Ortiz is barely a legitimate mid-level fighter at this point, and it's not clear to me he'll ever be able to recapture what he was able to do that night. I think that was a lightning-in-a-bottle type situation, and I fear a rematch would be human sacrifice, even to a diminished Berto.

Chris was in awful shape. If he was fight ready he ends that fight round 1.

When is he ever NOT in awful shape? He always looks like that! That's why he's just a mid-level guy in a largely moribund division devoid of serious competition.

[JayBee74]

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Same way as me...we now, bizarrely, have the problem of too much boxing on at any time. I DVR'd the Spike Friday night ticket and watched it late Saturday night, not realizing that a Kovalev bout was on HBO. Oh well - HBO GO is our friend there.

I slip every now and then, but I normally check the Ring Magazine schedule. I knew that Kovalez-Pascal was coming up.

[JayBee74]

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How does ESPN's Dan Rafael rank Cotto over GGG in his middleweight rankings?

Especially when Rafael conceded that Cotto would be a huge underdog. Also consider Cotto's quote to ESPN's lead boxing writer.

"Golovkin has to wait like everyone. He can do whatever he wants. My career does not depend on Gennady Golovkin. Everything I do will be the best for me. If that is fighting Gennady Golvkin I will do it. If not he can take the middleweight title. He can take it."

I have no problem with Cotto's strategy and his clear ducking of GGG, and Rafael's rankings are no big deal, but come on!!

[aholbert32]

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How does ESPN's Dan Rafael rank Cotto over GGG in his middleweight rankings?

Especially when Rafael conceded that Cotto would be a huge underdog. Also consider Cotto's quote to ESPN's lead boxing writer.

"Golovkin has to wait like everyone. He can do whatever he wants. My career does not depend on Gennady Golovkin. Everything I do will be the best for me. If that is fighting Gennady Golvkin I will do it. If not he can take the middleweight title. He can take it."

I have no problem with Cotto's strategy and his clear ducking of GGG, and Rafael's rankings are no big deal, but come on!!

The reason is Cotto is the lineal MW champion (the man who beat the man) and Dan ranks every lineal champion #1. Its the reason Adonis Stevenson and not Kovalev is ranked #1 in LHW.

[JayBee74]

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The reason is Cotto is the lineal MW champion (the man who beat the man) and Dan ranks every lineal champion #1. Its the reason Adonis Stevenson and not Kovalev is ranked #1 in LHW.

That's what I thought. I know the Ring does that. His pound for pound rankings have GGG #5 and Cotto out of the Top Ten.

[allBthere]

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forgot to mention I did another event on saturday - some decent fights, but the news worthy one was Donovan Ruddock fighting at 51 years old! He fought a 6'7" monster (but also not a spring chicken at 45 years old). Fight was a little awkward and embarrassing for the first round and a half if I'm being honest, but then Ruddock started getting lit up and was dropped - he managed to get out of the round and in the next one weathered the storm and in early 90s fashion landed 2 crushing left uppercuts and took out his opponent.

I'm not sure if this will make him realise it was a nice 1-off win, or if it will give him confidence to get in there again. it was pretty wild though at the time and I def did not see it coming.

On another note, I interviewed him for a piece I edited to roll before the fight and he is very well spoken and has no signs of being punched by the likes of tyson and lewis.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/384873-jones-briggs-and-ruddock-score-wins-on-nostalgic-weekend

edit, looks like by chance other old guys picked up wins...

[JayBee74]

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forgot to mention I did another event on saturday - some decent fights, but the news worthy one was Donovan Ruddock fighting at 51 years old! He fought a 6'7" monster (but also not a spring chicken at 45 years old). Fight was a little awkward and embarrassing for the first round and a half if I'm being honest, but then Ruddock started getting lit up and was dropped - he managed to get out of the round and in the next one weathered the storm and in early 90s fashion landed 2 crushing left uppercuts and took out his opponent.

I'm not sure if this will make him realise it was a nice 1-off win, or if it will give him confidence to get in there again. it was pretty wild though at the time and I def did not see it coming.

On another note, I interviewed him for a piece I edited to roll before the fight and he is very well spoken and has no signs of being punched by the likes of tyson and lewis.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/384873-jones-briggs-and-ruddock-score-wins-on-nostalgic-weekend

edit, looks like by chance other old guys picked up wins...

He was a good heavyweight, but the best fighter he beat was probably Michael Dokes.

[allBthere]

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He was a good heavyweight, but the best fighter he beat was probably Michael Dokes.

Bonecrusher Smith was a good one too...

to switch gears a little bit. Originally I didn't understand the Al Haymon deal - I thought it was an NBC deal to air the whole series, last week I read more into it and saw that it aired on spike (parent company?) NBC and now CBS with the Stevenson Bika card.

The facts as I know them are that he (and investors) bought TV air time and are paying the networks for the time and the production costs to produce the shows.

That sounds fine, with the exception that it's a bit backwards and I don't see how they (haymon and investors) will make money. Normally a network would pay for the rights to air an event and eat the production costs/ or just produce the TV and not pay for the rights - in return they have their advertising.

In this situation Haymon gets to sell and keep all advertising dollars since he literally bought the air time. Haymon and co. need to pay for the production, air time AND fighter purses/venue/rentals etc.

Even if he sold the ads in an impressive way, I still don't see how it would cover everything, since the TV executives didn't think (obviously) they they could recoup the costs WITHOUT having to a) pay for the air time and b) pay the fighters ...

The only thing I can think of an keep coming back to, is that he's hoping the numbers are really solid and that will attract future advertisers for the latter half of the series, but even if that's the case I still don't see this being a profitable venture.

I'm curious about this myself, because I've thought about producing my boxing show independently but it comes back to money and it not making sense - so in other words without TV executives being excited about airing the show and just being bought off - how would advertisers see it differently?

I hope aholbert32 responds! lol

[JayBee74]

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That sounds fine, with the exception that it's a bit backwards and I don't see how they (haymon and investors) will make money. Normally a network would pay for the rights to air an event and eat the production costs/ or just produce the TV and not pay for the rights - in return they have their advertising.

In this situation Haymon gets to sell and keep all advertising dollars since he literally bought the air time. Haymon and co. need to pay for the production, air time AND fighter purses/venue/rentals etc.

Even if he sold the ads in an impressive way, I still don't see how it would cover everything, since the TV executives didn't think (obviously) they they could recoup the costs WITHOUT having to a) pay for the air time and b) pay the fighters ...

The only thing I can think of an keep coming back to, is that he's hoping the numbers are really solid and that will attract future advertisers for the latter half of the series, but even if that's the case I still don't see this being a profitable venture.

I'm curious about this myself, because I've thought about producing my boxing show independently but it comes back to money and it not making sense - so in other words without TV executives being excited about airing the show and just being bought off - how would advertisers see it differently?

I hope aholbert32 responds! lol

Interesting. Haymon reportedly paid NBC $20 million for the rights to air 20 fights THIS YEAR on NBC or cable sister NBCSN. CBS wouldn't give an exact amount but their officials <p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">said the amount they paid</span></p> said the amount Haymon paid was not north of $20 million. The CBS deal will have them split broadcasts with CBS, and their Showtime and CBS Sports Network offshoots.

$20 million for 20 fights seems pretty cheap. From what I'm hearing the advertising sold quickly. The production costs for Haymon? I don't know what that would amount to.

The Adonis Stevenson fight and undercard will air on CBS this Saturday at 3 PM EST. The next three CBS telecasts (possibly the next 6) will air at 4:30 PM EST.

EDIT: CORRECTION

[allBthere]

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Interesting. Haymon reportedly paid NBC $20 million for the rights to air 20 fights THIS YEAR on NBC or cable sister NBCSN. CBS wouldn't give an exact amount but their officials said the amount they paid Haymon was not north of $20 million. The CBS deal will have them split broadcasts with CBS, and their Showtime and CBS Sports Network offshoots.

$20 million for 20 fights seems pretty cheap. From what I'm hearing the advertising sold quickly. The production costs for Haymon? I don't know what that would amount to.

The Adonis Stevenson fight and undercard will air on CBS this Saturday at 3 PM EST. The next three CBS telecasts (possibly the next 6) will air at 4:30 PM EST.

I have a pretty strong idea about that, and relatively speaking it's NOT a LOT of money in comparison to purses and other costs. To do lets say an 8-camera shoot with a production truck and crew + graphics and replay, commentators etc... you're looking at about 60-70k per show is a good bet. Now the big unknown factor for me is how much they pay their commentators and producers. I could do a 6 camera show with 3 commentators and everything else I mentioned for about 38k. I have had Al Berstein on my show before, paid for by the promoter, but I think he was happy to get flow up and taken care of and given something like 3 grand. Now I'm sure he might demand more, but who knows? It depends on availability and the type/scale of the show. CBS comes knocking, they probably automatically pay much much more.

So all that being said. 20x60k = 1.2 million which is not a lot for a huge network like that especially for THAT much content - but on the flip side, they are probably splurging on everything and each show is probably more like 100-160k maybe more. so a safer bet is a total of lets say 2.5 million. But again, I don't know how much money they would splurge on all kinds of extras, and certain key staff. I'm sure the May vs Pac fight just for that production will be more like 250k.

I know that here in toronto, as of right now, I would like to be able to generate 60-70k per show and to do 10-12 per year. in that scenario I would be personally making over 200k a year as producer/director.


so, having said all of that, why would CBS offer Haymon money to put the same brand of boxing on their network (premier boxing champions)? In other words, how does it makes sense for Haymon to pay 20million on the one hand to one network, and another network offer to buy it? It's like me paying you to eat my cooking, only to have another OS member, walk up, see you being paid to eat my food and then offer me money for the same meal. Know what I mean?