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[JayBee74]

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Totally agree. I'm not sure why Peterson waited so long to engage. Perhaps he gave Garcia too much respect?

I like Garcia, but I feel he's overrated. I felt he lost to Herrera last year and Khan was feeding him his lunch until Garcia landed a great shot on a very suspect chin.

He may be undefeated but he's had one too many fights where he either got a gift decision or his power had to save him.

Yeah, he's a tough guy though. He has been somewhat fortunate, but he did "absorb" Matthysse and won a tough decision even after losing a point in the 12th for a low blow. He looks to be a 147 "tease", with his main objective is to land a Pac or Floyd fight. But forget the big "two"...how would he handle Thurman, Brook, Porter, Maidana, or Marquez to name a few? Wouldn't he be the underdog to all those fighters?

EDIT: Almost forgot. What about the one judge in the Quillin-Lee fight scoring a 10-9 round despite a knockdown? Quillin actually stepped on Lee's foot, so it actually wasn't a knockdown, but since it was ruled as such, shouldn't it be 10-8? A 10-9 scoring would only be justified if Lee dominated the action otherwise, right? All that being said, there is no room to complain, because it was ruled incorrectly in the first place.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, he's a tough guy though. He has been somewhat fortunate, but he did "absorb" Matthysse and won a tough decision even after losing a point in the 12th for a low blow. He looks to be a 147 "tease", with his main objective is to land a Pac or Floyd fight. But forget the big "two"...how would he handle Thurman, Brook, Porter, Maidana, or Marquez to name a few? Wouldn't he be the underdog to all those fighters?

EDIT: Almost forgot. What about the one judge in the Quillin-Lee fight scoring a 10-9 round despite a knockdown? Quillin actually stepped on Lee's foot, so it actually wasn't a knockdown, but since it was ruled as such, shouldn't it be 10-8? A 10-9 scoring would only be justified if Lee dominated the action otherwise, right? All that being said, there is no room to complain, because it was ruled incorrectly in the first place.

I thought it was more the judge thought Lee won that round despite getting knocked down. Watch that round again if you can. Lee was landing most of the punches that round until that knock down.

It rarely happens but there are cases where 10-9 rounds have been given because someone who got knocked down controlled the round.

[JayBee74]

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I thought it was more the judge thought Lee won that round despite getting knocked down. Watch that round again if you can. Lee was landing most of the punches that round until that knock down.

It rarely happens but there are cases where 10-9 rounds have been given because someone who got knocked down controlled the round.

True, I know Lee won the round if you took the knockdown away, but did he control/dominate ENOUGH to gain that extra point? I think the judge might have factored in the step on the foot, but that's just a guess.

[allBthere]

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Lamont Peterson weights in at 165lbs prior to the fight????

I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I really want rules changed so that a fighter has to weigh under the limit 2-hours before the fight.

Peterson is a damn Super-Middlweight!!
(Garcia is 157lbs so it's not a lot better.)

I just think it kind of makes a mockery of the weight classes.
It makes me wonder what the overall landscape would look like if guys had to weigh under the limit when they walked into the ring.

Currently in Ontario guys have to weigh in the morning OF the fight based on the ontario athletic commission which can cause problems and confusion. But this is only the case because almost everywhere else in the world does the day before.

So in a number of cases where I've done a title fight of some kind, they will weight in the day before as per WBA WBC etc, but the ontario commission still insists on the day of weigh ins and in this case the fighters agree on some arbitrary weight and the fight usually officially according to Ontario takes place at a higher weight class.

So for example the cruiserweight championship for the WBA in November might actually be considered a 'heavyweight' bout according to ontario. But nobody cares and just goes by the alphabet weights... however for guys working their way up earlier in their careers, what you're suggesting is exactly what happens, sometimes to their detriment of either them, their opponent from out of country or both.

[JayBee74]

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Wow, I knew Quillin couldn't make weight, and turned it into a non title bout, but I didn't he was taxed that much ($125,000 of a $500,00 purse).

[JayBee74]

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Another good weekend of boxing:

Matthysse vs Provodnikov (HBO)
Chavez Jr. vs Fonfara (ShowTime)

Terrence Crawford will make his 140 debut against a pretty good Thomas Dulorme (Rated #8 by Ring Magazine). That will be on the HBO Matthysse/ Provodnikov undercard, but in different locales.

[SPRINGS03]

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Great night for boxing. All good fights, mattysee vs provo was pretty damn good, just about as good as i thought it would be. They both have good chins, but what the hell is provo's chin made out of? He ate some ridiculous shots, he has pretty much no defense but that chin saves him.

Also the chavez jr fight was good, but kinda funny to me. I always said that once chavez stepped up and started fighting people his own size he would have some trouble, and it looks like i was right. He's an ok body puncher, and he has a good chin, but his skills and dedication to the sport are seriously lacking. I knew that weight advantage carried him for a lot of his fights. Take that away, and you get what you saw tonight. He's a spoiled brat who waste his attributes.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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Great night for boxing. All good fights, mattysee vs provo was pretty damn good, just about as good as i thought it would be. They both have good chins, but what the hell is provo's chin made out of? He ate some ridiculous shots, he has pretty much no defense but that chin saves him.

Also the chavez jr fight was good, but kinda funny to me. I always said that once chavez stepped up and started fighting people his own size he would have some trouble, and it looks like i was right. He's an ok body puncher, and he has a good chin, but his skills and dedication to the sport are seriously lacking. I knew that weight advantage carried him for a lot of his fights. Take that away, and you get what you saw tonight. He's a spoiled brat who waste his attributes.

The look on Jim Grays face when Chavez Jr said he won the fight was priceless.

[JayBee74]

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The look on Jim Grays face when Chavez Jr said he won the fight was priceless.

Yeah man, talk about delusion. What a beautiful left hook by Fonfara to drop Junior.

In the sixth round of the other fight Matthysse hit Provodnikov with some of the most brutal shots I've ever seen anyone take in one round. Of course Provodnikov dished some punishment out too, but Lucas deserved the victory. This was better than last year's fight of the year between Molina and Matthysse.

[Money99]

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Great night for boxing. All good fights, mattysee vs provo was pretty damn good, just about as good as i thought it would be. They both have good chins, but what the hell is provo's chin made out of? He ate some ridiculous shots, he has pretty much no defense but that chin saves him.

Also the chavez jr fight was good, but kinda funny to me. I always said that once chavez stepped up and started fighting people his own size he would have some trouble, and it looks like i was right. He's an ok body puncher, and he has a good chin, but his skills and dedication to the sport are seriously lacking. I knew that weight advantage carried him for a lot of his fights. Take that away, and you get what you saw tonight. He's a spoiled brat who waste his attributes.

Completely agree on both counts.

Chavez JR feasted on guys who were a lot smaller than him. He loved coming into a MW bout weighing 185 or more. Especially against guys like Martinez who probably weight no more than 165 for their title fight.

The problem with him is that he can't make 160 anymore because of his lack of commitment.
But he clearly doesn't carry his power up to LHW.
If he tries to go to 168, he gets destroyed by the better fighters there.

Really, the only division he can compete in is at 160 and he'll have to starve himself to make that weight.
His career is affectively over unless he's comfortable fighting B-fighters at 168-170, or acting as a gate-keeper for the upper-echolon fighters in that weight range.

Honestly, why I don't have anything against him per say, I'm glad he's been exposed and will be gone soon.
I always saw him as nothing more but a bully who loved to feast on smaller opponents while he smoked weed and disrespected the sport and his body.

I'm sure his next step will be to fight at his own personal weight class of 169.5.

[JayBee74]

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Honestly, why I don't have anything against him per say, I'm glad he's been exposed and will be gone soon.
I always saw him as nothing more but a bully who loved to feast on smaller opponents while he smoked weed and disrespected the sport and his body.

I don't think much has changed. I was looking for a bag of weed to fall out of his trunks during the fight.

Seriously he looked like a very lifelike punching bag at times. When Fonfara was ripping off those combos Chavez's head was very willing to just go along for the ride. Some of the worst discipline I've ever seen in a decent pro.

[redsrule]

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Just my opinion, but those judges in the Lucas/Ruslan fight were atrocious and that scorecard with a draw was criminal. No way he won 4 rounds, let alone 6. I gave him three at the very most.


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[JayBee74]

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Disrespecting Muhammad Ali for fighting in ONE weight class (he was a heavyweight Floyd) and beating the brutal George Foreman?

I think the pressure is starting to get to him.

[SPRINGS03]

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^Nah, he's said that before, also has said he's better than sugar ray robinson before, i think it's funny tho, i remember an interview where somebody asked his uncle if floyd was the best of all time, and he said something like "no, sugar ray robinson is the best of all time"

Also, while i don't think it applies for ali at all, i will say heavyweight is a class that lacks weight discipline, i mean it's literally just 175 and up, which is why you'll see a lot of really fat dudes at heavyweight(aerreola), kinda wish they would make a super heavy weight division.

[JayBee74]

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^Nah, he's said that before, also has said he's better than sugar ray robinson before, i think it's funny tho, i remember an interview where somebody asked his uncle if floyd was the best of all time, and he said something like "no, sugar ray robinson is the best of all time"

Also, while i don't think it applies for ali at all, i will say heavyweight is a class that lacks weight discipline, i mean it's literally just 175 and up, which is why you'll see a lot of really fat dudes at heavyweight(aerreola), kinda wish they would make a super heavy weight division.

Oh OK, I never heard him criticize Ali's performance against Big George.