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[aholbert32]

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't it always been like this?

I just hate the constant UFC comparisons as if they always get it right.

Boxing in years past has always captured casual fans.

The problem is they do a terrible job of marketing and promoting fighters. Floyd turned boxing on its head keeping everything in house under his own umbrella. And the suits got lazy.

I just think the UFC comparisons are a cop out. Politics heavily influences both sports. Boxing just needs more of a cleaning house.

Not as much as in boxing. The major difference is 90% of the top talent in MMA is under one promotion...the UFC. Thats not the case in boxing. Lets use the WW division as an example:

8 of the 10 guys in the ESPN WW top 10 are in the UFC.

In boxing, 2 are with Top Rank (who doesnt book against Haymon), 4 are Haymon fighters, 1 is a Golden Boy fighter (who doesnt book against Haymon) and 2 are with smaller promotions.

That makes if difficult to make fights and thats boxing's problem. There is no reason a guy like Bradley should be stuck fighting Pacman again when fighters like Thurman, Porter and Spence are in his division. But promotional issues run rampant in boxing and keep us from seeing great fights.

The weight classes and championships are another big issue. Casual fans associate the best with championships. With the UFC, its easy. Ask a casual UFC fan, who the LHW champ is they will say Jon Jones (or Cormier because Jones was stripped).

This is the discussion if someone asked me (a hardcore fan) who the LHW champ was in Boxing.

"Well Stevenson is the lineal champ because he KO'd Chad Dawson but many people consider Sergei Kovalev the champ because he is the WBO, IBF, WBA (Super) and WBC Diamond light heavyweight champion. Stevenson has the WBC belt too but his is the actual one not the Diamond one that Kovalev has"

What's funny is LHW is actually one of the easier divisions to explain. WW is a ****ing mess when it comes to belts.

I'm not saying the UFC is perfect because its not. I despise some of the decisions the promotion makes when it comes to championships and title fights. With that said, its current structure is one of the reasons its one of the most successful promotions in the world.

[JayBee74]

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Tank was electric! I'm looking forward to seeing him fight again.
Although, I could have done without the pelvic thrust taunt he performed after the initial knockdown.
Broner did that crap and shortly after found himself on the wrong end of an *** whooping.

Broner VS Tank isn't currently feasible because the kid's a little light right now. By the time he matures to 140, Adrien will probably be getting out of prison and fighting as an unsuccessful middleweight.

Don't know if Floyd was too far off calling AB "Always Broke" and an alcoholic.

never liked broner's attitude, but do like the fact he called out floyd....remember how floyd and him were friends and would never fight each other? even to my disdain that he is a floyd clone, he does have the skill set and defense to beat floyd. why else would floyd be close friends with him and never want to fight him? IF broner beats someone like a danny garcia or something like that, then MAYBE he can talk about bringing floyd out of retirement.....

You think? AB's best defense is not throwing enough punches.

[sheredia]

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Honestly, and I'm no Floyd fan, I think Mayweather could walk in the ring today and put Broner to school.

Broner fights too flat footed and if he could be touched up by Porter and Maidana, I think Floyd just picks him apart.
He also doesn't carry enough power up to 147. His best weight class was probably 135, but he has a thick build so him not making 140 doesn't surprise me.

Everyone loves to call out Floyd because they know it's an easy paycheck.
It's not like you're fighting a 1986 Mike Tyson where there's a 1000% chance of pain being involved.

Win or lose, you're going to walk away relatively unscathed fighting Floyd - but a whole lot richer.

you're probably right about floyd handling him fairly easily at this point....I just thought it was funny broner called out floyd when he clearly hasn't beaten any elite fighters, up to now. given the right mindset, motivation and trainer, broner could have a chance. always thought floyd's last fight should have been against broner....would have made more sense than berto, in my opinion. i still think there's a chance to get floyd out of retirement for win number 50. maybe if manny knocks out bradley?

[Money99]

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you're probably right about floyd handling him fairly easily at this point....I just thought it was funny broner called out floyd when he clearly hasn't beaten any elite fighters, up to now. given the right mindset, motivation and trainer, broner could have a chance. always thought floyd's last fight should have been against broner....would have made more sense than berto, in my opinion. i still think there's a chance to get floyd out of retirement for win number 50. maybe if manny knocks out bradley?

Maybe Floyd and Broner were still buddies when he fought Berto?

I agree, I think he's definitely going to come out of retirement for #50. It's a matter of when, not if.
Not sure what he's waiting for though. Pac brings the biggest clout (for casual fans) while the better WW's aren't known very well.
And I don't know how much appetite there is a for a Pac rematch.

I don't see casuals getting really excited for a Bradley fight, either. And nobody really knows who Thurman or Porter are.
As far as publicity goes, Broner might be the top choice.
I'd definitely be interested in watching it.

[JayBee74]

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I'd definitely be interested in watching it.

I'd be interested, but I don't know about PPV interested. I'd have to think about it.

[fistofrage]

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Maybe Floyd and Broner were still buddies when he fought Berto?

I agree, I think he's definitely going to come out of retirement for #50. It's a matter of when, not if.
Not sure what he's waiting for though. Pac brings the biggest clout (for casual fans) while the better WW's aren't known very well.
And I don't know how much appetite there is a for a Pac rematch.

I don't see casuals getting really excited for a Bradley fight, either. And nobody really knows who Thurman or Porter are.
As far as publicity goes, Broner might be the top choice.
I'd definitely be interested in watching it.

Broner is a Floyd Clone without the defense, smarts or the money and for that matter the pop in the punches. Broner would look silly against Floyd. Even if Floyd hadn't trained since he left the ring and Broner was training for the past year just for the fight, I'd take Floyd easy.

[sheredia]

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Maybe Floyd and Broner were still buddies when he fought Berto?

I agree, I think he's definitely going to come out of retirement for #50. It's a matter of when, not if.
Not sure what he's waiting for though. Pac brings the biggest clout (for casual fans) while the better WW's aren't known very well.
And I don't know how much appetite there is a for a Pac rematch.

I don't see casuals getting really excited for a Bradley fight, either. And nobody really knows who Thurman or Porter are.
As far as publicity goes, Broner might be the top choice.
I'd definitely be interested in watching it.

i believe floyd is sitting back and waiting to see how things play out in the division.....like i said, if manny ko's bradley, the interest will certainly be raised for a rematch with a healthy manny. however, manny is supposedly retiring too. it's weird because floyd talks about fighting only fighters with clout, are a challenge, and generate ppv sales, and then he fights berto for this final fight. made no sense. that was a glorified sparring session..smh.

[Money99]

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i believe floyd is sitting back and waiting to see how things play out in the division.....like i said, if manny ko's bradley, the interest will certainly be raised for a rematch with a healthy manny. however, manny is supposedly retiring too. it's weird because floyd talks about fighting only fighters with clout, are a challenge, and generate ppv sales, and then he fights berto for this final fight. made no sense. that was a glorified sparring session..smh.

Agreed. That was a terrible last opponent. I don't think Berto's mom would have bet money on her son.

The two Mayweather fights I would have loved to see were against a prime Paul Williams and prime Sergio Martinez.

S-Mart said he'd come down to 154 to face Floyd, and at one point Williams was the most avoided fighter between 147-154.

We can speculate who would have won, but I think both those bouts would have been terrific.

[janesill]

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So, who's up for PACBRAD 3? I think this fight will gather dust as the 3rd fight between Manny and Bradley is highly unnecessary.

[sheredia]

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Agreed. That was a terrible last opponent. I don't think Berto's mom would have bet money on her son.

The two Mayweather fights I would have loved to see were against a prime Paul Williams and prime Sergio Martinez.

S-Mart said he'd come down to 154 to face Floyd, and at one point Williams was the most avoided fighter between 147-154.

We can speculate who would have won, but I think both those bouts would have been terrific.

lol...she probably wouldn't have. too funny. i always thought martinez deserved a fight with him. however, his style (hard to hit) and reach would have given floyd fits (somewhat like de la hoya did), so floyd wanted no part of that. if i remember correctly, floyd stated martinez didn't have the ppv numbers or a large enough fan base, so he never considered him. you are right about paul too...he was very avoided.

[sheredia]

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So, who's up for PACBRAD 3? I think this fight will gather dust as the 3rd fight between Manny and Bradley is highly unnecessary.

well...it is manny's last fight and at least bradley is no berto. manny handled him fairly well both fights, so i didn't see the need for this one either. i really think a floyd-manny rematch would have made more sense than berto and bradley. if anything, floyd could have a chance to beat a healthy manny and manny owes the fans after fighting injured last time.

[Money99]

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LOL, Briggs finally got under Haye's skin. Enough that Haye has said he'll fight him after his May 21st bout:

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/david-haye-shannon-briggs/54475#more-54475

I'm fairly certain this is all for show, but I don't care.
I'd actually be interested in seeing a Haye-Briggs bout (for free!)
I guess I'm a sucker for trainwrecks (Yes, I was eagerly anticipating the Kimbo Slice-Dada 5000 bout).

[allBthere]

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interesting article with full payout of bradley pac card. Very interesting how much Bradley has earned over 1mil for his last 10 fights

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/7/11381234/pacquiao-vs-bradley-3-purses-pacquiao-7-million-bradley-4-million-hbo-ppv-boxing-news

[JayBee74]

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interesting article with full payout of bradley pac card. Very interesting how much Bradley has earned over 1mil for his last 10 fights
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/7/...pv-boxing-news

Likely Abraham's last payday of $500,000 or more.

LOL, Briggs finally got under Haye's skin. Enough that Haye has said he'll fight him after his May 21st bout:

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/david-haye-shannon-briggs/54475#more-54475

Gotta give Briggs credit for tenacity.

[sheredia]

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thoughts on the fight?...thought manny looked pretty good, thanks in part by bradley's willingness to exchange. (kudos to bradley for that) would have been interesting to see this manny vs. floyd, but i guess we'll never know.